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FSX challenge. . . let's settle it?

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I propose the following in the spirit of genuineness and fair play. I say this because I have been a FSX critic. I would like to see from someone who says they can run FSX and preferably someone who says they are satisfied with FSX, a screenshot with FPS showing, of a flight over Seattle with the following, some cloud weather, some autogen, and some visible AI, some water detail, no blurries. In short a shot to look something like the quality of the Aces screenshots we all saw a month or two ago. This seems like a good and fair way to settle some of the heated debate we have going at the moment. Can anyone provide such a shot?

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So what you're doing here is calling those who are satisfied with their FSX experience and FPS liars and putting the burden of proof on them? Now before you say it, I know you didn't "actually" call them liars, but it's quite easy to read between the lines.Nice.....I don't think for second you're doing this in the spirit of genuineness and fair play. I can't believe how far downhill this forum has gone........

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I fly in that area with Active Sky 6.5,MyTraffic X, full clouds,autogen and scenery at medium,ground traffic cars at 10%,2x water detail. All vid card settings at full,high quality with AA and AF at 8x. Ai is 30% for both.With Matts textures mods and the fsx.cfg tweeks, Im getting 30-40 fps average.If the weather is bad and Im in the 747 or 737 it dips into the high teen- mid 20s. But smoooooth.You just need ALOT of muscle to run it and a computer that does NOT have a bunch of clutter running in the background.Problem is like FS9, FSX "morphs" and changes as the current situation changes along with the demands. One minute I might be seeing a super clear picture with great fps and the next start to get blurs. I have given up on that Holy Grail setup that works 100% of the time.BTW- AMD FX-62 dual core,Asus M2N32 Deluxe 2 gigs HyperX ram,7900GTX,Raptor 150.Let me figure out how to get some screenshots.

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For anybody that really wants to see photos of FSX doing very well on most computers just go to the screen shot forum. There you will find some very nice shots of Both FS9 and FSX.Then please leave your comments some of the best screens around are there for both Sims. They both can just be stunning and if your not in to Flight Sims yet you can see why we do it.:) Like the poster said nothing to see here just follow this link and enjoy.http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=147

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I propose this for people who do not think FSX is worthwile.Lock your FPS in FS2004 at 15FPS - fly a landing at KSEA with the FPS counter off.Open FSX - lock your FPS at 15FPS - fly the same landing at KSEA with the FPS counter off.Tell us which is better or smoother?My graphics card cannot display the setting in the first post (water detail / no blurries), and I promised my wife I would not buy a new card until the DX10 ones were available.

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Oh give me a break!! someone says he wants reasonable evidence and you guys start crying because he might be calling you a liar. HE ISNT, GET OVER IT.Now if you are a liar we're not interested, otherwise if you have got good fps, well done, now please do something to help everybody else apart from saying 'i've got good fps'We need to know:1) is your perception of good fps the same as ours2) is your perception of good image quality the same as oursif the answer is yes then we need to work out why you get a better fps and try and fix ours, i think that is a reasonable request.IF you get good fps, please quote your system spec (briefly) graphics drivers and 3dmark or other benchmark score.If you cant do that then you lose your credibility, its up to you.So far everyone who has said they have good fps has gone no further than a screenshot which may look good but doesnt help solve our problems. We are a sceptical lot.PLEASE SOMEONE WHO HAS GOOD FPS ON AN ATI CARD< POST THE DRIVER YOUR USING AND IF YOU POSSIBLY CAN A BENCHMARK SCOREIf no one does this, you will all lose credibility and i for one will assume its because you dont really know what you're talking about...goes of to bang head against brick wall cos it feels nicer...

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What debate do you imagine this is going to settle? There are people who hate FSX because it runs like a pig on their machines, and there are people who are enjoying FSX with whatever performance they can squeeze out of it.You mean if I showed you a screenshot of FSX running at 22FPS over downtown Manhattan with a reasonable level of autogen and detail on my very mid-range machine, you're telling me that all of you FSX-bashers are going to stop flooding this forum with your angry anti-ACES threads? Give me a break.Enough people have already done that, and yet you still keep creating threads like this.

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And what a complete and utter waste of everyones time that would be duh!!That wont tell you anything fsx is not smoother than fs9, the only thing that makes a smooth flight is higher frame rate, I thing some of you people live with the fairies down the bottom of my garden

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The premise of your challenge seems to be that unless one can get a certain framerate at a certain location, one cannot possibly be satisfied with the sim.I never have cared for flying in cities (prefer bush flying) and I have used flightsim products for many years.There is a enough improvements in FSX over other versions that I am quite "satisfied" for the places and the manner I prefer to fly. I also have a desire for performance improvements just like everyone else.Randall

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So your a great help then, fsx runs great on my machine and i'm going to gloat about, but not only that the rest of us have to stop crying for help and even if it does run great on some rubbish old machine (which it doesnt) you're not going to tell us any details of your set up so that we can try and find the magic bullet.That just proves that you have no idea whats going on in your computer and thus your comments are as usefull as someone admiring a car because its got a nice song on the radio.You make me laarrff

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So the criteria for satisfaction with FSX is being able to fly into, or over Seattle? Granted, it may be your desire, but there are many for whom Seattle remains resolutely off the destination list.Not everyone is from the USA you know, or interested in flying there for that matter. Personally I'm more interested in flying UK European routes for example (for WestWind VA), and in the soaring potential of FSX too, being as that's a real world interest as well.But even a Transatlantic flight from dear old Blighty would put me on the other side of continental USA, still a long way from the city of Grunge. I'm not maligning Seattle here BTW, I went there once and very nice it was too, apart from when Mount St Helens erupted, but I don't hold the Americans personally resposible for that :-)I'm sure some people are keen to fly around that area, granted my FSX copy might struggle with stuff cranked up over that city, but that doesn't stop me enjoying other areas now, does it? Or from turning the detail down if I have to, I'm simulating flight here, not a walking tour of the city and I'm going to use navaids for that, not a look out the window, even in VFR flight.And ultimately, as has been stated many times, FSX is a primarily a flight simulator, not a scenery simulator, and it does a great job of that.But even if the view of the ground out of the window is your prime concern (not sure how safe a pilot that would make you in the real world if that was your main concern, but warn me if you are ever flying near Manchester for real if it is) when the hardware catches up, the sliders can go all the way to the right, every version of FS has had that wait too. This is nothing new as far as the latest FS version is concerned.So, I'm happy with FSX on reasonably detailed settings which include:, full commercial traffic, some GA traffic, no autogen (hate it, always have), real-time weather and textures on full. That gets me a smooth FPS which drops to 15 when it gets busy (still smooth though and no stuttering). I admit it did struggle a bit at Paris CDG, but who wants to go to France either? :-) That was a joke by the way. I guess I'll have to stick the settings a bit lower for that.This is with some add on stuff in there, including Ultimate Traffic, VFR photographic terrain, FS2 Crews on the airliners and a few other bits and pieces.

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Screenshots are useless and can easily be manipulated. You need to see videos.

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>So your a great help then, fsx runs great on my machine and>i'm going to gloat about, but not only that the rest of us>have to stop crying for help and even if it does run great on>some rubbish old machine (which it doesnt) you're not going to>tell us any details of your set up so that we can try and find>the magic bullet.>>That just proves that you have no idea whats going on in your>computer and thus your comments are as usefull as someone>admiring a car because its got a nice song on the radio.>>>You make me laarrffike I said you can see post of photos all over AVSIM forum some are mine.:) Should it not be laugh. I make you laugh.:) Yes FSX does very well on my computer I have even posted my computer specs also.Thery are really tons of tips here. Hope this helps you.http://www.fox-fam.com/wordpress/?page_id=41

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It's just as valid a request as the first one in the thread.Smoothness is perception - and perception is everything.I don't know what or how it works - but I have smoother flights, panning in the VC and landings in FSX than I have in FS2004 for the same FPS.Frankly, I cannot stay ahead of the aircraft and land smoothly at KSEA with anything below 30 FPS in FS2004.But I can do it quite well at 15FPS in FSX.

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You know, maybe I would do that if I gave a #### about FPS. I don't though, I rarely switch the FPS display on. All that matters to me, is the experience fluid and enjoyable and looking good to me? So far it is, and I couldn't care less if that's with 10 or 30 FPS.The atmosphere here would be so much more relaxed if people would just enjoy whatever sim they prefer instead of comparing goddamn numbers all day.Regards,http://www.bremmekamp.com/img/misc/avsim.jpg

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Smarti05, all I've seen you do in this thread is scoff at fellow flight simmers and then in the same sentence ask for help. You do see the disconnect here don't you?? This forum is full of fellow simmers trying to help others achieve some level of happiness with their FSX installs...perhaps you could stop poking everyone here in the chest and start looking around the forums for the information you need.Or do you expect those here to summarize, just for you, the the collected knowledge gained in the last couple of weeks??

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>The atmosphere here would be so much more relaxed if people>would just enjoy whatever sim they prefer instead of comparing>goddamn numbers all day.Well said Jens, well said.....(clapping hands smiley :-) )

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Dead set, this place gives me memories of my year six playground in 1983. Pathetic.

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>So your a great help then, fsx runs great on my machine and>i'm going to gloat about, but not only that the rest of us>have to stop crying for help and even if it does run great on>some rubbish old machine (which it doesnt) you're not going to>tell us any details of your set up so that we can try and find>the magic bullet.Magic bullet? There are stickied threads here and on the forums of FS2004.com that are filled to the brim with tweaks for autogen and various other configuration settings.No, I promise you FSX will not run great on a "rubbish old machine" no matter what you do, so get that idea right out of your head. However you can still have a machine with modest specs and use these tweaks to vastly improve your performance results in FSX.Will it be enough? Who the heck knows...I have no idea what you consider to be acceptable performance. All I'm saying is that you can greatly improve your FPS just using some of the suggestions that have already been made here in the last couple of weeks. Your mileage will vary, but enough people report good results and I can personally say that I've benefited from listening to some of these suggestions.So unless you consider reading a magic act, there is no magic bullet - it will require you to do some tinkering.

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RE: FSX challenge. . . let's settle it? It's a rather pointless challenge. I know what will happen from other threads. Some folks will say it's impossible. Others will say that the person who took the screenshot paused at the peak FPS before they took it. Here's how I feel. I'm glad I purchased it and am happy with it after a bit of tweaking. I really don't care if someone says otherwise. If your not happy with it then return it or don't use it. Craig

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>For anybody that really wants to see photos of FSX doing very>well on most computers just go to the screen shot forum. There>you will find some very nice shots of Both FS9 and FSX.>>Then please leave your comments some of the best screens>around are there for both Sims. They both can just be stunning>and if your not in to Flight Sims yet you can see why we do>it.:) >>Like the poster said nothing to see here just follow this link>and enjoy.>>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=147In addition you can also check out the FSX Screenshots forum at http://www.fs2004.com/forums/ and be amazed! That's why I've concluded that the computer one has makes a big big difference!dito

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Here tingoose To me this is fun on my computer. But I like bush flying much more so you can double or triple this frame rates to where I fly.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/160276.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/160277.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/160278.jpgAnd also I must add the FPS are smooth never before has an FS product given such smooth rate no matter what the FPS are as long as they are above 14. Somebody has stated that the FPS counter in FSX maybe off also.I guess the people that like FSX will still like it and those that hate it will still hate it no matter whats posted.My computer specsAMD 3800 cpuAti X1800xl video card 256mb ram1gb 3200 ram.

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I can hear those stress related problems arising right through my internet connection! Its just a game, remember that. You guys are hilarious. You complain and argue to no end about a hobby which you LOVE...which is what stirrs you up in the first place.Instead of being negative towards what you love, try being positive! And I dont care WHAT you're reason is for complaining, or how "good" it is, THIS is a place to share constructively in what we ENJOY doing. Go somewhere else and demean someone else's hobby if you are going to be that way.And by the way, in case you had'nt noticed, FSX Rocks! Why does it rock? because thats all we got! And we might as well enjoy all we got, right?....Right!Just dont fill our forum with this useless trascript of a phone conversation complaining to Aces support. Get it? Now lets get back to improving our experience.Max

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