Instead of waiting for big update who is often following with a hotfix, why beta tester wouldn't request to LM implement micro update instead like ms do?

5 minutes ago, grandfred29 said:

Instead of waiting for big update who is often following with a hotfix, why beta tester wouldn't request to LM implement micro update instead like ms do?

I think ask 10 people and you will get different opinions.

I find the update mode MSFS really painfully and bad done. 3 steps forward.....2 back....

3 world updates further and sim updates are lacking......you see what they are chasing here.... its not the SDK...

2 LM updates a year is a good pace I think. It's kind of predictable....it's not costing to much effort....and DLC have time to update (if they plan to do so or have to do so)

Marcus

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by mpo910

Every software release process requires resources. This is also true for small updates. For large development teams like ASOBO / MS this may be planned for. For small teams, and I guess LM is a rather small team compared to ASOBO / MS, this is not feasible.

Ruediger

I think for a small team it is more efficient to solve a problem one by one than a group of problems. Because most of the time we have some problem that beta tester don't have.

3 minutes ago, grandfred29 said:

I think for a small team it is more efficient to solve a problem one by one than a group of problems. Because most of the time we have some problem that beta tester don't have.

I can promise you that lots of issues you all have, when they are LM P3D issues, are most likely also noticed by Beta testers....

BUT: Much more issues are not P3D issues and for that reason less seen at Beta testers setup (thousands of different combinations).

AND even if beta testers notice something and makes LM aware of this, this must not lead to a necessarily change .

LM does decide completely by themselves how to handle requirements and issues. Beta testers can only give their opinions or some respectful advice. 

Marcus

Agree with you Marcus but for example micro update can solve the problem with vr single pass combine with envshade. Now we need to wait a possible solve with the next update, but when you must wait 3 or 4 months between update, that mean you can use vr or don't use envshade.

Just now, grandfred29 said:

Agree with you Marcus but for example micro update can solve the problem with vr single pass combine with envshade. Now we need to wait a possible solve with the next update, but when you must wait 3 or 4 months between update, that mean you can use vr or don't use envshade.

I think your example with Envshade is not a good one.

LM will not solve a shader issues which is caused by a 3th party addon which enhanced shaders AND causes issues within VR by doing this. 

Because without Envshade this issue does not exist. 

Shader enhancements are getting more problematic.....with each single release....I promiss. 

And now imagine P3D releasing in shorter iterations......TOGA has less time to change their product because the next release is already imminent (when releasing ever month or quarter)

Because each micro update would require me to adapt changes to code, then another micro, then another micro.. chasing changes from micro code to micro code in order support products, it would be a never ending cycle all the time. Such work is FOR FREE since users are not willing to pay for software maintenance or software upgrades.

Now, at least LM is willing to give me heads up and share their P3D builds giving me enough time to prepare things before everything goes live. MS in the other hand just drop the bomb and all hell goes lose, with 3rd party developers having to drop everything to fix things the best way they can.. IF THEY CAN, look what happened to ORBX and their City Escape for London with the MSFS latest world update.. MS advice was just to disable ORBX city escape.. 

I rather follow LM approach, where at least I can test products before hand, report problems when something is wrong and LM fixing these issues that would prevent our products to work properly before things go public, I must add sometimes some issues go under the radar, when this happen's LM is very quick to provide a HF to support the needs of 3rd party developer and end users, one particle example was the 5.1 HF1 which addresses come serious issues with weather reported by HiFi.. it was then followed with HF2 to supplement other fixes.

Kind Regards,
Simbol

1 hour ago, simbol said:

I must add sometimes some issues go under the radar, when this happen's LM is very quick to provide a HF to support the needs of 3rd party developer and end users, one particle example was the 5.1 HF1 which addresses come serious issues with weather reported by HiFi.. it was then followed with HF2 to supplement other fixes.

v5.1 HF1 was then followed by HF2? I thought P3D v5.1 HF1 is the last version, is this something new?

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by BiologicalNanobot

1 minute ago, BiologicalNanobot said:

v5.1 HF1 was then followed by HF2? I thought P3D v5.1 HF1 is the last version, is this anything new?

No.....you are right. 5.1 has only HF1. 

@simbol.....looses count as he is getting older.... 🙂

 

5 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

No.....you are right. 5.1 has only HF1. 

@simbol.....looses count as he is getting older.... 🙂

 

lol.. yea..  I am losing it.. imagine with more micro codes.. no thanks!

Like the micro Asobo updates which breaks the sim and all of the addons everytime? i'd rather have one good update 😉

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by rob0203

2 minutes ago, rob0203 said:

Like the micro Asobo updates which breaks the sim and all of the addons everytime? i'd rather have one good update 😉

^^^^^^^^^^^ This! specially looking it from a 3rd party developer perspective.

 

I think this topic does lead to nothing as no one is ever able to answer this.....only LM and they won't answer this too.

Maybe closing this to avoid another MSFS comparison thread

3 minutes ago, simbol said:

looking it from a 3rd party

Are you loosing count again SIMBOL?.....MSFS does have Aerosoft as 3th party....you are probably +5th party dev....from an ASOBO perspective.....

4th will be the free addon gateway.....

Edited March 23, 20215 yr by mpo910