There's a couple things in the video I disagree with...first, that CPUs are staying at the 95W TDP mark--the 10900K draws close to 300W under a max multi-threaded load (and around 120W with a heavy single-thread load), and PL2 is established at 250W in the stock spec.

He says that heat loads have decreased over time, but then later points out that air coolers can have issues with newer mobos using bigger VRM arrays to handle the increased power requirements--the two points are contradictory.

In general I agree with his conclusions, but not the foundation he laid in getting there. 

Air. 100%.

Why risk a potential leak and ruining a top-end PC with water cooling? Also, you have to run maintenance on it now and then whereas with fans, compressed air will do the trick or a dampened Q-tip to clean the blades from accumulated gunk.

I never see my CPU go above 60c under load (running Prime95, no less), but I do use a quality cooler (Noctua) and it helps I'm in the basement where it's always cool in the low to mid 60's F.

My new PC has an AIO cooler.  I'm a pretty dedicated air cooler guy, so why, all of a sudden, I went AIO?  Because of the components shortage and scalper's prices, the only way I could get a modern PC was to buy pre-built and NewEgg's in-house builds (ABS brand of computers) use AIO coolers.  Had I been able to obtain components and built my own, like my previous desktop PC's, it would have had an air cooler, likely a Noctua.

I suspect Jay was displaying his water cooling bias somewhat in this video. There were a few points he made that displayed this. The last time he did an air v water video he was more balanced. 

 

On 7/16/2021 at 3:57 PM, w6kd said:

He says that heat loads have decreased over time, but then later points out that air coolers can have issues with newer mobos using bigger VRM arrays to handle the increased power requirements--the two points are contradictory.

 

 He was talking about the physical size of the VRM's of course and the air cooler physically fitting. But yes, bigger VRM's are there to handle the increased power requirements and while CPU's may have become more efficient, they are also clocked higher and therefore generating just as much heat as they did in the past with lower clocks. 

On 7/17/2021 at 8:12 AM, stans said:

My new PC has an AIO cooler.  I'm a pretty dedicated air cooler guy, so why, all of a sudden, I went AIO?  Because of the components shortage and scalper's prices, the only way I could get a modern PC was to buy pre-built and NewEgg's in-house builds (ABS brand of computers) use AIO coolers.  Had I been able to obtain components and built my own, like my previous desktop PC's, it would have had an air cooler, likely a Noctua.

Off-topic here Stans, but I am looking at ABS myself for a pre-built upgrade right now. 

Would love it if you could give me your thoughts on them (we can move over to PM's if you prefer). 

38 minutes ago, DChockey08 said:

Off-topic here Stans, but I am looking at ABS myself for a pre-built upgrade right now. 

Would love it if you could give me your thoughts on them (we can move over to PM's if you prefer). 

Construction is a questionable, my case had a small dent in the top, nothing that would affect performance, but it's a dent in what is supposed to be a new case.  Cable management is "ok", but still looks a bit like a rat's nest.  The PSU in mine died after 16 days of use and it was an EVGA PSU, I would have expected better life.  The fans in the EVGA AIO cooler were noisy and also did not last very long.  After three months, one was dead and the other was making a lot of noise, so I replaced the fans with Noctua fans.  The Noctua fans are so quiet that I have look to see if they are spinning and they are!  The CPU and motherboard allow for no over-clocking whatsoever.  Mine is an ASUS Tuf-Gaming B460M, a good quality board, and the CPU is a I7-10700F.  Good parts, just no over-clocking potential, so this computer's life is going to be limited.  Supplied with my ABS system was an EVGA keyboard and mouse.  The drivers for these had not been installed, so that was a DIY installation.  The mouse made it just past 3 months before the scroll wheel broke, which seems to be an issue common to EVGA's mice.  Newegg's support has been less than stellar.  There response to my issues was basically, "so sorry to hear of problems".  My only reason for buying a pre-built was that I could not get all the components and build one myself.

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