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Real Weather bug or Real Weather?

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I had the weirdest thing happen to me yesterday:

On a flight yesterday afternoon (8/16) I was doing a flight from Nantucket MA to Quonset RI in the Bonanza with real weather and real AI. It was a pleasant flight with light winds (5-7 knots) and light clouds. The flight progressed smoothly at about 3000 ft. I was given pattern entry downwind left traffic RWY 16.  I entered the pattern and when I was at an altitude of about 1000-500 ft. all of a sudden the sea graphic change abruptly from glass smooth to dark gray with whitecaps.  It just popped in. I flew base leg and on final I noticed that winds where at 67 knots! I don't remember the exact compass heading they where coming from but I had a hard time making headway to the runway and I was crabbing so badly that I was almost perpendicular to the runway.  If it weren't for having crash detection turned off I would have seen the "black screen of death". As soon as i got the wheels on the runway, the wind reverted to about 4 knots.

Weird! So I ask: Real weather or Bug? I think bug but I am not sure.  I have very few problems with MSFS and am enjoying veru much when I get a chance to fly.

Joe

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Addition after question last line.

Get used to disappointment - The Dread Pirate Roberts

BUG!.  You can expect 67kt winds close to the surface when a hurricane is hitting the area 🙂 or at higher altitudes while in the jetstreams.  I have noticed these anomalies from time to time.  I can't wait for Asobo to open up the weather engine so that folks from ActiveSky and others can come and rescue the weather engine.

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Sincerely,

Dennis D. Müllert

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That's what I figured. It was interesting nonetheless!

 I used active sky in FS2004 and FSX and I really liked it.  But what I would really like to see is Asobo getting it right. The few times I used Live weather in MSFS I only saw the lightning anomaly.  I truly want to see this sim mature to the point where all that is needed are planes and specialty sceneries.

Joe

Get used to disappointment - The Dread Pirate Roberts

What I understand (important caveat) is that airport weather is from METAR (real)  and everywhere else MFS generates a weather based on MeteoBlue (predictions). That would explain if justify the abrupt change during your final approach if the weather deteriorated rapidly.

67 knots is indeed a little excessive 😅 but it can be windy there !

Now I have a question. Your avatar was shot before or after this tumultuous landing ?

Dominique

Simming since 1981 -  [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam

 

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7 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

Now I have a question. Your avatar was shot before or after this tumultuous landing ?

Dominique, It was shot during!😮😁

But the minute the plane settled on the runway, the wind dropped to a reasonable 4 knots.  Wouldn't that be metar also?

Joe

Get used to disappointment - The Dread Pirate Roberts

Just now, jmfabio said:

Dominique, It was shot during!😮😁

But the minute the plane settled on the runway, the wind dropped to a reasonable 4 knots.  Wouldn't that be metar also?

Joe

 The METAR was  maybe wrong or more certainly wrongly interpreted by MFS.  By the way how did you get the 67 knots figure ? ATIS ?

That may interest you Cross wind landing (bonanza.org)

Dominique

Simming since 1981 -  [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam

 

22 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

What I understand (important caveat) is that airport weather is from METAR (real)  and everywhere else MFS generates a weather based on MeteoBlue (predictions).

But I do not believe you will find any actual metar for that airport that exhibited winds anywhere close to what he experienced.  I keep an eye on wind indications in the PFD when flying in MSFS.

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Frank Patton
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Just now, fppilot said:

But I do not believe you will find any actual metar for that airport that exhibited winds anywhere close to what he experienced.  I keep an eye on wind indications in the PFD when flying in MSFS.

No, I had a look at recent METAR in Nantucket  and the strongest winds I found were about 27 knots. 

Dominique

Simming since 1981 -  [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam

 

A number of months ago there were thunderstorms in real life in the vicinity of the Florida airport that I wanted to fly from.  The MSFS flight planner said the winds were 8 knots and weather was okay for flying.  I start up parked with engine off but my propeller is windmilling.  I start the engine and start to taxi and my little C172 weather vanes into the wind and starts being driven backwards and I can't fight it (like you could in FSX) and it crashes me.

Real life thunderstorms do have exceptional winds sometimes and I dont know if the sim was just trying to replicate that but the flight planner should have told me and it didn't.

The system is currently quite bugged what with the return of lightning everywhere... and apparently crazy winds.

One of these days they'll nail it down - I hope.

and I don't know why it is but the lightning issue seems to jump from one geographical area to another. sometimes the US is fine and I hear complaints about lightning that I never see.  but now its back in the US again.  maybe I should go to Europe or Asia.  It worked last time.

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|   Dave   |    I've been around for most of my life.

There's always a sunset happening somewhere in the world that somebody is enjoying.

That typhoon that hit Shanghai last month seemed to match closely in the sim. Comparing winds in sim to what the internet could tell me was actually happening there.

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2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

 The METAR was  maybe wrong or more certainly wrongly interpreted by MFS.  By the way how did you get the 67 knots figure ? ATIS ?

That may interest you Cross wind landing (bonanza.org)

The 67 knots came from the mod that puts the FSX shift+ z stats in MSFS.

I will try to check the crosswind landing link. Thanks.

Get used to disappointment - The Dread Pirate Roberts

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1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

That typhoon that hit Shanghai last month seemed to match closely in the sim. Comparing winds in sim to what the internet could tell me was actually happening there.

I have found too that the weather matches up pretty well with where I fly.  I have only about 20 hours in the sim and I fly mainly around where I live but i have been to New England many times and enjoy flying there.  But that wind and sea change was out of this world.

Get used to disappointment - The Dread Pirate Roberts

3 hours ago, jmfabio said:

The 67 knots came from the mod that puts the FSX shift+ z stats in MSFS.

 

Wow! Not disputing. But what is the source for that tidbit?  And is the creator working on a mod?  I am using that mod but have not experienced the issue (so far).

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

3 hours ago, fppilot said:

Wow! Not disputing. But what is the source for that tidbit?  And is the creator working on a mod?  I am using that mod but have not experienced the issue (so far).

The latest update added it

16 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

The latest update added it

Was not aware, will certainly check it out.  As mentioned earlier I completed a three hour flight today and did not experience the issue, so was not yet seeking a remedy.

Frank Patton
Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; 
NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener.  
Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126
                       
"I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere

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