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UNITED 93: an objective film review

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Wrong site wrong forum, i also doubt that our "flightsimulator" had anything to do with this tragedy.

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Insightful! Thanks for the review. I can't wait to see it.RH

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>Wrong site wrong forum, i also doubt that our>"flightsimulator" had anything to do with this tragedy.True....This is the "make believe" forum... :-roll I'll see it tomorrow. From many reviews by moviegoers, as well as on the spot polls at the theater exits, it's a movie that few appear to have regret seeing. Most would rate it four out of four.In fact, at a poll at our city's theaters, NO one had regrets! I'm just using the word "few", in case.L.Adamson

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Hi,Possibly the Hanger Forum would be a better place!Hope this helps,Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Development TeamActive Sky V6 Proud SupporterHiFi Beta TeamRadar Contact Supporter

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>>Wrong site wrong forum, i also doubt that our>>"flightsimulator" had anything to do with this tragedy.>>True....>>This is the "make believe" forum... :-roll There were various reports that had at least some of the hijackers using PC sims as training tools. a logical inferrence that can be drawn from this would be that FS2000 was likely used. I therefore stand behind what I have written, but will also thank the AVSIM forum staff for their graciousness in moving this thread to where they deemed it most appropriate.

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At least we're better off here, than at Flightsim.com's "outermarker" forum. This subject was over there, last night & this morning. I know that a moderator didn't care to see the movie, and the complete thread is now gone. However, the thread may have gotten out of hand, throughout this morning, when I wasn't around to read. And, the particular moderator might have had nothing to do with it's disappearence.But regardless, your review is very worthwhile. I'm only into make believe a portion of the time, and don't shun events that are real; Or close my eyes, hoping it will go away. I have a son who is in Afghanistan for the second time. Perhaps his patriatism has worn a bit off on me. L.Adamson

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Well, I hate to be a party pooper, but AFAIK, not all of the victim's families were happy to see their relatives be put into this heavily commercialized flic. Besides, I doubt this movie reflects the real story (which hardly anybody knows)... If asked, entertainment, fiction and/or sensationalism on the backs of those who passed that sad day is questionable (in mulitiple ways). Just to offer another perspective... Respectfully Jaap PS, the best US-movie I've seen in a long time was 'Munich' by Steven Spielberg

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>Well, I hate to be a party pooper, but AFAIK, not all of the>victim's families were happy to see their relatives be put>into this heavily commercialized flic. Besides, I doubt this>movie reflects the real story (which hardly anybody knows)...>>>If asked, entertainment, fiction and/or sensationalism on the>backs of those who passed that sad day is questionable (in>mulitiple ways). >>Just to offer another perspective... >Since just about everything I've heard from those who have seen this movie................is extremely positive,I'll now have a deaf ear to those who have not. They only speculate on what they don't really know...L.Adamsonedit..Note: I've heard several comparisons to "Shindler's List". More of a sobering docudrama of reality than sensationalism.

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Hi Larry, fair enough. You might agree not many know what really happended... And wouldn't walking out of the theatre and pretending to know everything be wrong? I know absolutely nothing and choose to remain ignorant. :-) Hope your son gets home safe and well from Afghanistan. Kind regards Jaap

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it's not anti-American so it's unlikely to appear in cinemas here.

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My opinion is; that to talk, display reviews or even to consider watching this movie is sick, depraved and glorifying a disaster that most civlised people believe as a very sad way of making money. The movie industry has stooped to an all time low with this effort and I don't believe that the relatives sanctioned the making of this movie nor too did the people on the ground that suffered injuries as a result of what was happening above their heads!I. for one will definately NOT be seeing it and no body I know will either.This movie is what I call real obsenity.Dave T. .........On the Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/http://www.captainsim.com/user/dl/c130/c130_captain.gif

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>My opinion is; that to talk, display reviews or even to>consider watching this movie is sick, depraved and glorifying>a disaster that most civlised people believe as a very sad way>of making money. The movie industry has stooped to an all time>low with this effort and I don't believe that the relatives>sanctioned the making of this movie nor too did the people on>the ground that suffered injuries as a result of what was>happening above their heads!>And if the movie industry ignored the Holocaust, we could pretend that never happened too!In this case, this type of disaster can happen again, if enough people crawl under a rock hoping it's a one timer.This is real life.....................get off the virtual one!L.Adamson

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No one is denying that it happened, don't distort the issue.I started my post with 'My Opinion' a part that, you clearly decided to ignore.Watching a movie of a disaster of anything has, always been a free choice of the individual. Watching something that shocked the entire world isn't something I would want to pay money for, least of all an act that clearly takes this hobby into disrepute?I am somewhat surprised that you, taking into the account all the post's you have made here, is of a different view? I would like to believe that all of us on here are enthusiastic, genuine human beings and not those who would support actions like this by paying for bad taste?I would also add that, at 65 years, I am definately in the real world sir, seems to me it's a more respectful one than yours.Dave T. .........On the Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/http://www.captainsim.com/user/dl/c130/c130_captain.gif

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Clearly, not everyone is a history buff, and many people obviously question spending their entertainment funds for what clearly is not intended as entertainment. Once the reader identifies these issues, they might then be able to better read my words for what they are intended to be. Irregardless of what one's sentiments are about the politics behind the story, what was intended to be depicted in the film (and it is depicted very well) is the HUMANITY of ALL involved with the story, the hijackers included. Even the lead-hijacker places an "I love you" phone call prior to the chaos. I respect those whose opinions differ from mine, and will not resort to intellectual violence to try to change them. It is also my opinion that films that try to depict historical events with the highest degree of accuracy reasonably possible perform a service to the veiwing public, who still maintains the right of choice whether or not to view them. It has been nearly 40 years since a definitive film about the Battle of Britain has seen release in the USA (notice that I cannot legitimately speak for what may or may not exist in the UK in making this statement of opinion). Surely, my esteemed fellow flight-simmer with a preference for the C-130 may harbor different sentiments with regard to the possibility of a new Battle of Britain film being produced, especially with all of the technological advances since the late 1960's. That said, this thread has seen (for the most part) the healthy debate that I thought that it should foster. If and when one sees the film, one can revisit this thread and perhaps see it differently. Thanks to all for keeping it civil.In a bit of irony, ABC TV (one of the 3 major American TV networks, for those unaware) aired "Pearl Harbor" last night. I was thus able to see the most recent cinematic interpretations of two seperate surprise attacks on American soil on the same day. For the sake of the entire planet as a whole, I can only hope that the final resolution of the conflict engendered by the second of these attacks will be similar to the final resolution to the conflict engendered by the earlier of the attacks, but without the use of nuclear weaponry.

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>My opinion is; that to talk, display reviews or even to>consider watching this movie is sick, depraved and glorifying>a disaster that most civlised people believe as a very sad way>of making money. The movie industry has stooped to an all time>low with this effort and I don't believe that the relatives>sanctioned the making of this movie nor too did the people on>the ground that suffered injuries as a result of what was>happening above their heads!>>I. for one will definately NOT be seeing it and no body I know>will either.>>This movie is what I call real obsenity.WOW! Talk about another bizarre point of view. This is why it is so difficult to define obscenity. I trust that you feel the same about "The Longest Day" and all of the Pearl Harbor based films? Heaven help us if you were ever given the power to censor.This is a major historical event. As such, of course movies will be made about it

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Scheduled for release doesn't mean any cinema will actually carry it...Most likely it'll end up in some small film houses with a few dozen places per showing. That's what happens with most movies that are more mentally challenging than the latest Disney megaproduction.

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Had Pearl Harbour or Tora! Tora! been made in 1943 you'd have gotten the same reactions about that one.It's still too painful for many people, to fresh in their minds, to use as a plot for a 90 minute (or whatever) flick intended to earn someone a few more million dollars.

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Jeroen,Thank you for explaining my view's also.It is much too soon. Maybe in twenty years after freinds and relatives have got over their grief?'The longest day' and Pearl Harbour depicted an event that happened over 60 years ago. A slight difference.Dave T. .........On the Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/http://www.captainsim.com/user/dl/c130/c130_captain.gif

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I might be mistaken, but the Path

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To All:As I know I don't have to remind you, please keep this discussion civil and on topic.There is no reason for this thread to head south, but if it does we will have to lock it down.Thanks,

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1943 for Tora! Tora! Tora! is not an equivalent time difference. Though 1946 would chronologically be equivalent, for WW II I think 5 years after its end would be a more like it. Be that as it may, scores of films depicting WW II events were made DURING and within the first few years following. And I trust no one would imply that it was a lesser tragedy. Much to the contrary, it caused pain and suffering for many, many, more people than 911 did.As to it being a "flick intended to earn someone a few more million dollars"? No one I have ever known quite matches your level of cynicism, Jeroen. I think the filmmakers had more than that in mind.

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Had WW2 dragged on to 1950 or beyond a 1946 timeframe would have been more in line for Pearl Harbour movies when compared to this situation. But it didn't, so 1943 is the equivalent.No movie would have been made unless there were money in it. It isn't a propaganda movie, it's not a documentary created as a piece to show someone's skills.It's a commercial venture. That means there's people wanting to make a buck out of it, preferably a LOT of money. There's nothing wrong with that mind, though IMO using the deaths and suffering of real people who have living relatives as entertainment is sickening, especially given the extremely short timespan.Were this an NGC documentary it might be different (though NGC is also a commercial venture, they do have an educational mission) but it's not. It's designed to be entertainment of the blackest kind. Sadly that kind of entertainment draws big crowds, because lots of people like to see others suffer.

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>>I would also add that, at 65 years, I am definitely in the>real world sir, seems to me it's a more respectful one than>yours.For starters, I'm only 10 years behind you. And since you said:My opinion is; that to talk, display reviews or even to consider watching this movie is sick, I clearly don't consider myself sick for seeing a movie that I feel everyone should see. As stated elsewhere, it's history, was not a natural disaster, but man made by an "enemy"; and could easily happen again if we get careless and forgetful.It's MY opinion, than many are getting much to complacent about this subject.L.Adamson

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