17 hours ago, Lord Farringdon said:

We had a short local area power cut that took about 15 mins to come back on. It was 10.30 at night and without knowing how long the power cut would go for, most everyone, myself included probably thought it was time to go to bed rather than staying up all night watching movies, playing games or flying flight simulators! I suddenly realised that everybody had been kicked off the internet and there was a good chance not all would come back on when the power came back up. So as soon as the lights came on I fired up the sim PC, and pleaded with the router to come back on line ASAP. Then I checked internet speed and just as I thought, no one or very few had restarted their TVs or PC's again. There in front of me was 30Mbps!! I quickly loaded a flight out of London City with PG off and took some images. I honestly thought this was PG even though I knew I had it turned off!!. 

Mind blowing, but alas short lived. Over the next half hour my internet speed just kept dropping back and eventually got to about 7Mbps before I called it a day.   Anyway, I can see what you say about the inaccuracies in the data probably not giving a much better outcome ( a couple of buildings looked they haven't been repaired from WWII bomb damage!)  Still it is a shame I cant see this on a normal day. 

 

 

 

        

Sound like you are a victim of cable fill, which can effect the Copper network - If NZ is like the UKs Cat3 based twisted Copper (mostly 😉) pair legacy infrastructure. Cable fill occurs when the number of broadband customers running through a cable eventually gets to a point that interference like cross talk occurs, this can even happen on short cable lengths like tie cables linking PCPs to DSLAMs here in the UK.

regarding your speed, I would double check using a wired connection to your router to get the true speed - although for your cable length it does seem about right.

remember that network was never intended to carry data🤔

lastly, if you have voice I assume it’s loud and clear?

Edited October 27, 20214 yr by hanhamreds

1 hour ago, hanhamreds said:

Sound like you are a victim of cable fill, which can effect the Copper network - If NZ is like the UKs Cat3 based twisted Copper (mostly 😉) pair legacy infrastructure. Cable fill occurs when the number of broadband customers running through a cable eventually gets to a point that interference like cross talk occurs, this can even happen on short cable lengths like tie cables linking PCPs to DSLAMs here in the UK.

regarding your speed, I would double check using a wired connection to your router to get the true speed - although for your cable length it does seem about right.

remember that network was never intended to carry data🤔

lastly, if you have voice I assume it’s loud and clear?

Thanks  @hanhamreds. Yes you are totally right. It is a copper network with twisted pair cabling and it wasn't designed for data. As VDSL subscribers have increased on this particular line from the DSLAM, I suspect data crashing is happening a lot. I will need to check wired from PC to router rather than wireless and see if that makes a difference too. Good point! But as you say, the main issue is copper wire and distance from the exchange so if there is any improvement, it may not be much.   

Now I hope I don't give the impression that this is a NZ wide phenomenon. Because it is not. I think on the list of world internet speeds that @Paul J listed in this thread, NZ is a respectable 23rd with 170 Mbps average but there are pockets where the broadband rollout didn't reach before the government ceased funding the rollout. We are one of them. With no 5G (except to some major city CBD coverage), and no rural wireless coverage and having tried 4G hotspot with only limited success since 4G coverage is not flash here either, fibre remains our only hope (ignores Starlink). Alas, an off the cuff estimate from my ISP was half a million to install fibre the 7 km from the exchange. LOL! Well that ain't going to happen!  

Do we have a voice? There must be some advocacy group out there somewhere but if so, they are very quiet. Apart from the lack of PG (which might not be a compelling justification in itself🙄) WFH as a result of Covid has highlighted the atrocious internet especially during the many Zooms I try to attend each day. And of course our family Zooms to Singapore and Wellington are always stop start affairs.  So, I'm definitely starting to get a voice of my own and our local MP will be hearing about this just as soon as I can get some more facts together on what others in our road are experiencing and what the infrastructures company's immediate intentions are. Frankly, as a result of this thread and the great speeds that so many of you take for granted, my frustration is turning to anger when I see the list from @Paul J that suggests my internet speeds surpass only Turkmenistan and Cuba at the bottom of the world!!  Grrrr!😡. 

Thanks @hanhamreds and @Paul J. 👍

Cheers

Terry  

21 hours ago, Lord Farringdon said:

I quickly loaded a flight out of London City... I turned on PG and saw this, the first time I have ever actually seen PG working Mind blowing, but alas short lived.

 

5 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

At higher altitudes it's not as noticeable, but low and slow it can a bit distracting ... you have to use the blind eye of comprise.  The quality of the raw data varies considerably and as such you'll see variances based on location.  In addition, make sure you don't fly too fast as that can contribute to lower resolution Photogrammetry.

There are also other factors outside your control like MS server loads, hops, etc.

London has a reputation for the worst photogrammetry in MFS, the source data wasn't great so there's a lot of melted lumpiness and artefacts. The original PG areas that were included on release, such as New York, are generally better. Not sure how the latest WU6 photogrammetry additions are.

PG is cool but unless you are low and slow or over very familiar territory, you may find the standard autogen over orthographic scenery looks better. I was getting quite a bad performance hit with PG too, so I have disabled it through choice although my 50 Mbps connection will support it.

Edited October 27, 20214 yr by ckyliu