Is there a way to adjust for an offset localizer on your HSI? I have eaten a number of pine trees trying to shoot an ILS approach into Flagstaff Arizona. At first I thought it was a bug in FSX but it appears that the localizer there is offset 3 degrees? Tough place to land for a noob learning ILS approaches.TIA,Blaze

You need to study the actual plate and follow what the plate says.You can get plates here:http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tppI see there are also cautions about this airport:GS UNUSBL BYD 5 DEG LEFT AND RIGHT OF LOC COURSE. LOC UNUSBL INSIDE OF FLG 0.8 DME. 37 ft. trees, 1000 ft. from runway, 100 ft. left of centerline, 21:1 slope to clearSo it sounds like your troubles are real! :-)http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/172149.jpg

Actually I have the plate and understand most of it but I suppose understanding everything on it would be a class in itself. ;) I am assuming you got the additional cautions from information on the airport and not the particular plate you posted? If I am mistaken and it is on the plate can you show/tell how to read it?I guess for simplicity sake I should just practice at Libby AAF (KFHU) 14K of runway including the overuns :) but Flagstaff gets me worked up even if I am strictly a sim flyer.I am assuming you can't just dial in the offset on the HSI or you'd be trying to land on the localizer not the runway correct? As I said I am a noob GA sim flyer and trying to learn.Thanks,Blaze

Localizers are offset for many reasons. If you look closely at the plate - to KFLG Rwy 21, you will see a straight in approach would put your aircraft in danger of hitting a 9,300 ft mountain at about 5.5 miles from landing.Now two important things are in the warning on the upper left of the plate.The FLG VOR must be showing DME readings in the aircraft.&"Auto coupled approach not authorized below 7640 feet MSL"In the real world that is 640 feet above the touchdown altitude. Because Rwy 21 does not slope uphill in FS, it's about 550 feet above the touchdown in FS.That means the Autopilot has to be turned off about two miles and 600 feet high before landing.KFLG is an ILS APPROACH, but a VISUAL LANDING - without autopilot and the pilot has to line up the aircraft with the runway.KFLG is not a good airport to learn ILS landing skills in FS.Some place you might practice is Rwy 21L ILS at KPRC. Once you get pretty good at that, try flying the ILS, but break off the ILS when the runway is in view, and sidestep to the right and land on 21R.KIWA offers an ILS on the center runway (30C) so you can practice sidestep right and sidestep left at that airport.Be sure to use a slow aircraft to learn - C-172 or C-182.Do the ILS lessons with Rod.Things happen way too fast in a jet for a FS pilot trying to learn a basic skill for visual landings.That is what you have to master - visual landings. Once you can do those, FS is so much more exciting and the world is a much more interesting place.Then you can tackle some of the real world airports where pilots land every day in passenger jets without an ILS.PAJN is a great place to learn.One final bit of advice - given to me by a pilot for the Challenger 604 which the company I work for has, he also flew KC-135, C-5 and DC-10 aircraft. "You goal when you come in must be to execute a proper missed approach. You have to be setup to go around. Landing on the first pass is a bonus. Never, ever force a plane to land."This guy has never flown FS - but a very good practice.I always get in trouble in FS when I push a landing when the smart thing is to go around.

These approaches are always fun!? To learn.After you get this one done, go try my favorite LDA/DME RWY 25 at KEGE.In real life, pilots must be "certified" by their carrier before landing at some of these airports with difficult approaches. Like KSAN LOC RWY 27.We get to train ourselves! Great fun.Instead of crashing it would be a perfect time to practice a go around, hold, then try it again.>Is there a way to adjust for an offset localizer on your HSI?> I have eaten a number of pine trees trying to shoot an ILS>approach into Flagstaff Arizona. At first I thought it was a>bug in FSX but it appears that the localizer there is offset 3>degrees? Tough place to land for a noob learning ILS>approaches.>>TIA,>Blaze

Another great site is airnav.com. I go there mostly for cheap fuel prices-but you can get some really detailed info on airports which is where I pulled some of that info. :-)http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

"I am assuming you can't just dial in the offset on the HSI or you'd be trying to land on the localizer not the runway correct?" You don't put the offset in the HSI-you put the final approach course which in this case is 210 degrees.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

THe Localizer is off set becuase of humphry's peak to the northwest and the smaller mounting just the the southeast of that. If you really want to know why the restrictions are placed there you should refer to the TERPS manual. It's basicly a 4 in' thick manual made by the FAA that talks about the design and aplication of IFR regs. and rules. I have flown the approach into FLag a couple times (real life) and its not teribly difficult. Only thing to consider is your IAF. If you start at FLG then its just out bound, PT, then inbound. If you start at Frissy make sure you use the lead radial for your turn inbound on the localizer (040 LR). If you want to shoot some quality approcaches go to Prescott (KRPC) they have a VOR/DME Arc, 2 GPS/Rnav, ILS. Everyone has pretty much got everything elese.