2 hours ago, mpo910 said:

This is indeed not respectful und should not be done or appreciated. Understand.

I think your product would be much more attractive when using PBR. PBR in combinantion with AO (MSFS AO) is what makes the scenery come alive, have depth and high quality looking effect. It´s a bit of a pitty you do not use it, but it´s of course your choice and decision.

Thanks for your reply!

M.

You welcome.

I fully agree with you; you make a good point. There is more than that.

Flight simulation is amazing; because is everybody life; and not just aviation; 

 

from bofhlusr post above:    I have personal reasons why I'm interested in this scenery. 

when we sim we also live our life trough the sim; the place we visited in real life; a place where you meet somebody first time etc etc; 

I consider 3d design and texturing an art on itself; my hat off to those great 3d artist out there. Personally it was too risky for me to come into msfs and starting working with pbr; with an ever changing platform you have to be absolutely sure that if is broken it can be either repair or replaced; and i was tempted to follow that path; but i always believed that in msfs energy could be combined with data to create sort like real world simulations with energy; this was clear to me after i made the animated oil wells scenery; is at that point i started to look at the sky and created layers of birds to bring the sky alive; with over 60 millions birds fly in the upcoming Usa birds package; with birds flocks unique to each other in form ; shape and movement. You have to believe in what you can do best and follow the path to reach the top of your potential; pbr or 3d design or terrain; but we can also now add a new kind of ramification of terrain design  'dynamic terrain design' and who knows where this will take me or others.

 

22 hours ago, Ron Attwood said:

Taburet's San Francisco? Isn't that a medical condition?

Lol. Good point! 

The 'free love' hippies of the prior generation who migrated and now live in San Francisco --which now has one of the most expensive real estate in the world, will point their collective fingers and blame the 'micro-weather' and everyone else except themselves:

1. To their North - to Marin County, one of the richest counties in the US
2. To their East - to very progressive free speechers in UC Berkeley
3. To their South - to the get rich quick nerds of Silicon Valley, and
4. To the West - to the nothingness of the Pacific Ocean

Add to that the fog which rolls in almost daily and breathless hilly streets and those may well explain the poor circulation of air in the brain, the craziness, and the medical condition you speak of. 

Edited July 13, 20223 yr by bofhlusr

On 7/12/2022 at 6:51 AM, bofhlusr said:

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Will the scenery work with the current version of MSFS (v1.26.5)?  No fps hit?  VR? The product description describes the scenery as including 127 custom objects. Can you please list at least 10?  I'm also concerned that it cost U$15 but the file size is only 55 MB, 

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Follow-up... will the scenery work in MSFS v1.26.5?  Any adverse effect on FPS, and where can I see a list or description of at least 10 custom objects? Thanks.

41 minutes ago, bofhlusr said:

Follow-up... will the scenery work in MSFS v1.26.5?  Any adverse effect on FPS, and where can I see a list or description of at least 10 custom objects? Thanks.

Good day;

At first sight I recognize these buildings:

Salesforce Tower
Transamerica Pyramid
555 California Street
345 California Center
One Embarcadero Tower
181 Freemont
California Street
Park Tower at Transbay
Salesforce Tower
One Post Street

and of course I see more but do not really know their name.

I am going through the scenery to see what need to be done for the update; I am also taking a video to show it in more details.

Edited July 13, 20223 yr by arsenal82

ok

i had a look at this scenery;  fly over the city; and these are my findings; and how I found the scenery since being checked in January 2022;

San Francisco area in msfs is a photogrammetry scenery; inevitably this bring fps down;  more specifically after a past update; however as far as i know this photogrammetry 'bug' should be resolved in the next update. This bug also affected heightmaps terrain meshes which started stuttering after the release of such update; this is not the scope of this conversation as such I will not go into details.

Tested the scenery on ultra settings; with terrain mesh set on 150 and rende scaling also at 125; this on a i9 with a 2080 super gpu untampered machine give me fps of around 20; I only noticed one stutter which is well in norm.

As I flew over San Francisco frames rates remain mostly stable on the 20 mark; as i move around and at the end of the video i moved away from downtown; frames rates for a few moment dropped; although looking away from the scenery; this default photogrammetry bug causing issue over the region; as said above; this should be resolved in the next update; in facts frames rates are higher over the SF scenery addon than away from it; this is because default photogrammetry is exclude from the area; although downtown is still let say 'embedded' into default photogrammetry; inevitably this has an effect on the general San Francisco area performance, others factor might come into play because of personal circumstances setups such as internet speed and system specifications; also note Vr is being reported to me not be a good choice for Msfs due to lacking of performance; up as I type now; this too might improve with the next update.

What this scenery will benefit from ?

Fly over the area of San Francisco with the addon installed; we can see there some flickering on the ground; this where the addon meet the default mesh; this should be on the cards a easy fix; having said my preference would be to make an area of mesh to gain full control of the elevation beneath the scenery; this will also bullet proof the scenery from future misobo default mesh changes in the area as it will sit on top. However; not idea is valid until proved working in the actual sim.

I checked also the model itself; it benefit the addition of lod to increase performance at distance; i believe this will have little to no change when fly close the model as it will use the original lod.

Taking in consideration the idea of creating a mesh base for the scenery and have full control of it; and the relative simplicity of this scenery; I can well start to update the scenery in the incoming days; I also expect an increase in default photogrammetry performance after the next update which will surely benefit not only this scenery but all scenery out there.

and here is the whole thing moving

https://youtu.be/l1L-d7GNLhI

 

Edited July 13, 20223 yr by arsenal82

Thank you.

On 7/13/2022 at 12:43 PM, bofhlusr said:

 

Lol. Good point! 

The 'free love' hippies of the prior generation who migrated and now live in San Francisco --which now has one of the most expensive real estate in the world, will point their collective fingers and blame the 'micro-weather' and everyone else except themselves:

1. To their North - to Marin County, one of the richest counties in the US
2. To their East - to very progressive free speechers in UC Berkeley
3. To their South - to the get rich quick nerds of Silicon Valley, and
4. To the West - to the nothingness of the Pacific Ocean

Add to that the fog which rolls in almost daily and breathless hilly streets and those may well explain the poor circulation of air in the brain, the craziness, and the medical condition you speak of. 

Lived in SF for close to two years now and can agree that people here are… well, maybe not always the progressives that they always advertise themselves to be.

Anyway, this addon doesn’t look so bad to me. My question is whether it updates some of the newer neighborhoods? For example, by default Mission Bay is just sand, even though there is a whole new hospital and many new residential buildings. Does Taburet update all that?

Good day;

In this coming update V 1.2;  as Benjamin mentioned Mission Bay being sand; I have not checked yet how default exactly depict Mission Bay; however flattened into a sandy area should be a straight forward change to implement.

Having said that; I suppose; downtowns usually are very valuable spaces; i believe it will developed and not left as sand for long ? 

Others buildings require 3d modelling; those take more time; however if there is photogrammetry data available; it can be added with google to msfs;  because of google copyrights it can not be included in the package itself; having said that; i believe at some stage default photogrammetry will be updated in the future.

Most important is the incoming msfs update fix that terrain engine bug or whatever they broke after update 7.

4 hours ago, arsenal82 said:

Good day;

In this coming update V 1.2;  as Benjamin mentioned Mission Bay being sand; I have not checked yet how default exactly depict Mission Bay; however flattened into a sandy area should be a straight forward change to implement.

Having said that; I suppose; downtowns usually are very valuable spaces; i believe it will developed and not left as sand for long ? 

Others buildings require 3d modelling; those take more time; however if there is photogrammetry data available; it can be added with google to msfs;  because of google copyrights it can not be included in the package itself; having said that; i believe at some stage default photogrammetry will be updated in the future.

Most important is the incoming msfs update fix that terrain engine bug or whatever they broke after update 7.

No, I meant that in MSFS there currently a lot of buildings missing and instead what you see is a construction site. However, those buildings have since all been constructed. I was wondering if your scenery will add the new buildings.

On 7/11/2022 at 3:45 PM, arsenal82 said:

maybe judge less and enjoy more

to quote Henry Ford: "you can have it any color you like, as long as it's black" 😊

On 7/11/2022 at 2:01 PM, arsenal82 said:

the work we do is appreciated by the majority of simmers;

how do you know that? there are over 1 million MSFS users alone.

Edited July 15, 20223 yr by turbomax

On 7/11/2022 at 1:26 PM, arsenal82 said:

is not a problem for me never been and never will be; rather spend my time simming than check my punctuation or proofread anything

 

 

 

This is without a doubt the most unprofessional statement I have ever seen from a developer. You never proofread anything? Ever? Does this apply to your product releases also?

1 hour ago, cobalt said:

This is without a doubt the most unprofessional statement I have ever seen from a developer. You never proofread anything? Ever? Does this apply to your product releases also?

I understand your point; not that I disagree; the answer is no

I do not proofread anything I write; I really do not post in forums often; but I believe in this case it was a good idea to go through this conversation about SF scenery.Is either spending time going around forums and fly the sim or do scenery but yes I proofreading addons.

Edited July 15, 20223 yr by arsenal82

I appreciate your honesty, but just as a suggestion, a bit of care in the wording of your posts (making sure you say what you intended to say) can save a lot of time and trouble in the forums. I have learned this from experience.

7 hours ago, Benjamin J said:

No, I meant that in MSFS there currently a lot of buildings missing and instead what you see is a construction site. However, those buildings have since all been constructed. I was wondering if your scenery will add the new buildings.

I'm wondering too. The 'new' Mission Bay area is in my opinion a "must" include for any San Francisco scenery. I once dropped my son off to work at UCSF (University of California San Francisco) and was shocked to see how large the area actually is (and I've been here for decades). UCSF is one of the world's pre-eminent teaching and research university. The area is the biotech version of Silicon Valley. It is home to dozens of biotech companies.

Mission Bay is also home to two large sports stadiums: the San Francisco Giants (Major League Baseball team in Oracle Park) and the Golden State Warriors, the current NBA (National Basketball Association in the Chase Center) champions.

https://www.sfweekly.com/topstories/bio-companies-at-the-root-of-mission-bays-growth/