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Hi everyone,I'm seriously considering to learn to fly. From that perspective, I'm looking for a really good commercial Cessna 172 or 152 with the closest to reality flight model and cockpit. This is to help me practice what I'll learn up there.I know that Carenado produces excellent planes but are there any other excellent products out there ? Tx and have a safe flight.Louie.

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Try this outstanding C150. It's better than some of my payware and it's free.http://drk.free.fr/tutoriels/creation/c150_en.php I also can recommend the Flight1 C152 and the RealAir C172, both payware planes.BlairCYOWedit: The C150 and the C152 work fine in FSX. I can't say if the C172 does as I've only flown it in FS9 on a friend's system

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Concur absolutely! AsBlair says - that little FS Tutorials C150 is outstanding! 4 stars:-beerchug

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Without a doubt, agreed. The C 150 is truly fantastic - and free!Hint for C150. If you want to experience flight without glass reflexions/aging, just temporarily move the 2 files in the various texture folders (of the c150) named glas (whatever) to the main c150 folder. That removes the glass texture entirely giving you a totally clear view. You can move the glas files back anytime you want to experience the reflexions/aging.

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Good tip, Howard - thanks: you're right - the reflections are a bit on the heavy side, aren't they?

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And what's wrong with the default Cessna 172...? The FSX version is very good: just as good if not better than payware. Don't let some other, more crappy, default planes fool you! There are some very nice aircraft in the FSX-box!

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BTW Anyone knows how to download that C150 from here:http://drk.free.fr/tutoriels/creation/c150_en.phpI got interested after this topic AND after reading the Treasure Chest on AVSIM. You need a password to download but the provided password on the site won't let me in... Anywhere else I can download this plane from...?

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Actually, Realair's C172 isn't payware...it's just an airfile mod and a repaint of the defualt (FS2002) C172...

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Uh. . . compas is spelled as here - with only one "s" :- compas and capI just checked it, and it works fine.:-)

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Looks pretty oustanding. And this is free ? Wow.Thanks for the info, I just downloaded it and will give it a ride.Louie

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Just a note, in addition to Howard's advice on the glass reflections: this little gem has the best take-off torque/gyro and p-effect representation of any aircraft in the sim world that I've ever tried.Happy Landings!

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>Uh. . . compas is spelled as here - with only one "s" :-Yes, thx, but I'm not THAT dumb. :( ;) Anyway, I tried to download it on my laptop and it worked right away. Apparently something on my desktop computer is not working right. I'm really curious about the plane: the screenshot of the VC didn't impress me, but everyone is enthousiastic about it, so... EDIT:O, pity, it's a FS2004 plane... Anyone knows if you can simply install it in FSX...?

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Hi Louie,As a Cessna pilot myself I find the RealAir C172 to be about the most realistic to fly. It's been tweaked by Rob Young from Real Air who is well known for his accurate flight models and was designed for an Australian flight school with the same intentions as you have. And best of all, as has already been mentioned, it's free!! I also own the Flight1 C172 and this comes in a close second, but has far better panel graphics. If you combine the Flight1 panels with the Real Air aircraft config file, you'd feel like your in the real thing. :)Real Air also have a similar aircraft tweak for the default C182 when you advance in your training.Here is the link to the free download:http://www.realairsimulations.com/list_box...?page=downloadsGood luck,Ken.

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A bit of advice when using FS for flight training, which you may have heard already:Don't stare at the gauges! It's pretty hard to use FS to practice maneuvering flight such as turns around a point and s-turns... Even straight and level flight can be a challenge, as all FS aircraft are harder to trim than in real life. Don't concentrate much on holding exact altitudes and headings, as you'll probably end up looking at the gauges way too much.FS comes in handy the most when practicing cross country flights... you'll get good practice tracking VOR's, and you'll know what the airport will look like once you get there. I would have had a much harder time spotting the airport on one of my XC's if it weren't for FS.I would highly recommend TrackIR... It helps immensely in the pattern, and you can set the view so the gauges don't take up half the screen anymore.Hope this helps! I'm sure FS can help a student pilot shed several hours off training, especially in the begining, where you'll have a head start knowing the basic cockpit layout and a familiarity with many aspects of flying. As far as planes go, all of the planes mentioned above work great. If you're in FS9, Dreamfleet's Archer is also a great plane.Paul

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>EDIT:>O, pity, it's a FS2004 plane... Anyone knows if you can simply>install it in FSX...?It works just fine in FSX. I also want to throw in a vote for the Flight 1 Cessna 172, it's a great plane and has been updated for FSX.Jim

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>>Uh. . . compas is spelled as here - with only one "s" :->>Yes, thx, but I'm not THAT dumb. :( ;) . . good. . BUT I WAS! :-lol:-lol:-lol:-lol(I had ta take a second look! :-roll ) (but I'll bet I wasn't the only one!) ;)Anyway - it's a GREAT, FREE little Cessna, and I'm sure you'll enjoy it!Regards,

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www.flight1.comwww.fsd-international.comwww.eaglesoftdg.com

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>Actually, Realair's C172 isn't payware...it's just an airfile>mod and a repaint of the defualt (FS2002) C172...>>Right you are and it's a good freeware plane too. I should have said the Flight1 Skyhawk.BlairCYOW

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Thanks everyone for the input.I tried the C150. Great airplane and boy, it is incredible to see this level of detail in a freeware. Hats off to the team that made this ! Special mention for the gyro effect : WOW ! At first, I though that my yoke had some problem... But no, I only forgot that I'm flying with full realism settings. So I really had to apply some pressure on the right rudder as the plane would have left the runway when taking off. That's what I'm looking for.Unfortunately, I found it too hard on the FPS for me. I fly with a 19 fps lock and with the C150, it plunged to 10 FPS. At first, I thought that it was ASX (as I was giving it a first spin also), but as soon as I changed to the default C172, the FPS went back up to 19. Also, some gauges didn't make it during the transfer to FSX. That's a shame because I really liked it. As for the SimAir's C172, I was not able to make it work in my FSX. I looked in the forum for instructions but I didn't have any success...So I'm really considering Flight1's Skyhawk. Did anybody noticed an impact on FPS with that bird? On a final note, I'd like to join the crowd and send my congratulations to the folks at HIFI. Active Sky X and XGraphics really bettered my flying experience. And I thought that FSX was magnificient ! I often fly at sunset (as I think I would fly in real life). So yesterday, I landed on a runnway, taxied off and turned the aircraft towards the setting sun. I then increased the simulation rate to x32 and watched the clouds go by and the sun go down. Amazing.Thanks again folks.Louie.

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Louie,Yeah sorry, the Real Air is only for FS9. However as I said, the Flight1 model comes a close second and there is an FSX version. I run it in my sim and there is little impact on FPS even with my moderate AMD XP3200 system, so go for it.I also agree with the other poster who advised not looking at the gauges all the time. In my initial training I was continually being told to look outside. This is VFR after all! You need to learn what the attitude of the aircraft looks like relative to the horizon so you should be able to conduct straight and level flight along with all degree turns just by looking at the horizon. Unless you have a full cockpit sim, this is hard to achieve on a screen. As was mentioned, simming is better for learning systems management, emergency procedures and navigation training. Use the real thing to learn how to fly the real thing :)Ken.www.kennair.com

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>Yeah sorry, the Real Air is only for FS9. However as I said,>the Flight1 model comes a close second and there is an FSX>version. I run it in my sim and there is little impact on FPS>even with my moderate AMD XP3200 system, so go for it.Perfect. I'll go for that then.>I also agree with the other poster who advised not looking at>the gauges all the time. I've been told about those flight simmers that make the move and never give a peak outside :) I'll try to keep you advice in mind both in front of my computer and during real flight.Thanks very much for your input.I'll keep you posted.Louie.

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Wow, there shure are alot of "High-wing" homers here. lol. As a real pilot myself, I flew both Cessna's and Pipers for training, ultimately finishing in a 1959 172, not by choice, but by lack of pipers, in which I did my 1st solo in. The Freeware C150 is a great airplane for flight caracteristics. The Flight-1 C172 is WAY over-rated, it only looks good, but is not even close to accurate IMO. BUT, if you want to "buy" a good single engine trainer type, look no further than Carenado's Pipers. The 180 and 181 are both excellent in looks and realism, and cheap too. Just my 2 cents. www.carenado.com

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I applied the RealAir .air file and aircraft.cfg file to the default FSX 172 and it works fine. I like its stall characteristics better than the default model.I suggest using a program called Winmerge to compare the two aircraft.cfg files, and make appropriate edits to the realair version for new FSX features. I've found Winmerge to be an indispensable tool for my FSX installation for comparing directories and files.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

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I second the motion for TrackIR. Make sure to get the TrackIR 4 (as opposed to the 3). It's DEFINATELY a keeper for pattern and landing work. For U.S. purchasers, you can get a $30 discount at my site (no, I don't get any kickback for it). Scroll to the bottom of the homepage.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

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