I have been bouncing back and forth Intel/AMD since I built my first machine back in 2006- a core 2 duo. My son acquired that machine and I then built an AMD Deneb quad core which lasted 7.5 years before this i7. Somehow I fell into a pattern of upgrading the GPU halfway between pc changes. I expected this machine to last 7 years at least- it may be my last one being my age. It still works well. As I said the only thing I do that challenges it is MSFS. Other than that I play Civ 6, World of Warships, Ultimate Admiral series and a couple others. Surf the web too of course. I think I'll just go to an RTX 3080 (PSU too of course) and I'll be satisfied. Play around with the bios overclocking maybe. Thanks for all your input.

P.S. Oh yes- I turned on Developer Mode and the GTX 1060 was the botteneck as expected at 42 ms (whatever ms are). milliseconds?

28 minutes ago, LCAir said:

I have been bouncing back and forth Intel/AMD since I built my first machine back in 2006- a core 2 duo. My son acquired that machine and I then built an AMD Deneb quad core which lasted 7.5 years before this i7. Somehow I fell into a pattern of upgrading the GPU halfway between pc changes. I expected this machine to last 7 years at least- it may be my last one being my age. It still works well. As I said the only thing I do that challenges it is MSFS. Other than that I play Civ 6, World of Warships, Ultimate Admiral series and a couple others. Surf the web too of course. I think I'll just go to an RTX 3080 (PSU too of course) and I'll be satisfied. Play around with the bios overclocking maybe. Thanks for all your input.

P.S. Oh yes- I turned on Developer Mode and the GTX 1060 was the botteneck as expected at 42 ms (whatever ms are). milliseconds?

Be aware that if you can pick up a cheap 9900K somewhere it will likely slot straight into that ASUS Z370 motherboard without even a BIOS update and give a nice performance hike over the 8700K. 

However also be aware that if you overvolt a 9900K they can turn into little mini toaster ovens. Also a 9900K is about equivalent to a 12th gen i5 so do not pay too much money for one.

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

I looked on NewEgg (my prefered vendor) and the only 9900K there is an i9-9900KF for $664. Whoa! If I'm gonna spend that much on a cpu I'll go whole hog and get a new motherboard and all. Used? Idk that relies on luck and I don't have much.

15 hours ago, LCAir said:

the botteneck as expected at 42 ms (whatever ms are). milliseconds?

those are frame times, time between a new frame. lower is better 😀 reciprocal of fps (frames per second)

1 millisecond is 1/1000 second, a thousandth of a second.

1000 milliseconds / 42 milliseconds = 23.80 frames per second, that's your frame rate. not great but acceptable and can still be smooth if constant. movies also run at only 24 frames per second.

18 hours ago, LCAir said:

P.S. Oh yes- I turned on Developer Mode and the GTX 1060 was the botteneck as expected at 42 ms (whatever ms are). milliseconds?

LCAir--my retired RTX 2070 Super is roughly 97% faster than GTX 1060, and sports 8Gb of VRAM.  PM me if you would like to buy it.  It was almost good enough for my MSFS use and after performance improvements in SU5 I almost didn't install the 3080Ti I bought, but I did in the end.  The 2070 Super is in perfect shape, never o/clocked, always ran cool, and has about a year of use on it.  It is the Founders Edition, as is my 3080Ti.  I think 2070 Super at 1080p would be more than excellent for your needs, and the price will be right 🐵

The RTX 2070 SUPER is faster by 97% for 1440p gaming. For 1080p games, upgrading from GTX 1060 6GB to RTX 2070 SUPER is not worth it if targeting 60 frames per second. In addition, taking into account the huge price difference between the two, the GTX 1060 6GB is a winner.

 

 

Edited October 20, 20223 yr by Noel

9 hours ago, LCAir said:

I looked on NewEgg (my prefered vendor) and the only 9900K there is an i9-9900KF for $664. Whoa! If I'm gonna spend that much on a cpu I'll go whole hog and get a new motherboard and all. Used? Idk that relies on luck and I don't have much.

Yeah for that money you would get a current gen MB and i5/i7 that would be faster.   

 

8 hours ago, Noel said:

LCAir--my retired RTX 2070 Super is roughly 97% faster than GTX 1060, and sports 8Gb of VRAM.  PM me if you would like to buy it.  It was almost good enough for my MSFS use and after performance improvements in SU5 I almost didn't install the 3080Ti I bought, but I did in the end.  The 2070 Super is in perfect shape, never o/clocked, always ran cool, and has about a year of use on it.  It is the Founders Edition, as is my 3080Ti.  I think 2070 Super at 1080p would be more than excellent for your needs, and the price will be right 🐵

The RTX 2070 SUPER is faster by 97% for 1440p gaming. For 1080p games, upgrading from GTX 1060 6GB to RTX 2070 SUPER is not worth it if targeting 60 frames per second. In addition, taking into account the huge price difference between the two, the GTX 1060 6GB is a winner.

 

 

Thanks for the offer but I'll go with the 3000 series. Something a little beyond my current build which will still be operable if I build something new under it.

Just now, LCAir said:

Thanks for the offer but I'll go with the 3000 series. Something a little beyond my current build which will still be operable if I build something new under it.

Hmmmm on second thought let me see what my grandson is currently running.

30 minutes ago, LCAir said:

Hmmmm on second thought let me see what my grandson is currently running.

For a flight sim probably the fastest cpu possible combined with an onboard video chip. Well that is what "grandpops" would run with common sense.

My grandson is 18 yo and beyond onboard graphics. Nor is he into flight sims. Its more a matter of keeping up with his older brother. And "grandpops" is beyond onboard graphics too. Common sense? Well that is another question...

On 10/21/2022 at 1:24 AM, LCAir said:

Thanks for the offer but I'll go with the 3000 series. Something a little beyond my current build which will still be operable if I build something new under it.

You'll need at least 1440x3440 to justify 3000 series.

I recently purchased a 3440x1440 curved monitor 165 Hz.

Good for you I love my 34" curved display would not go back to flat.