Ok, here are a few considerations from me. 

• There's nothing wrong with early access. It's a wildly successful model in gaming and it was only a matter of time fo it to take hold in flight simulation. It will likely produce good things and bad things, but that's something you see as a project progresses, that's why it's important to hold off a bit and see how it goes unless one feels strongly about supporting a developer. 
• The initial launch state of the project is a bit underfeatured compared to what I can enjoy. But that's fine. That's the perk of early access. I can jump in exactly when (and if) I see that an aircraft has progressed to the point in which I know it has the features I want, and I lose nothing. It gives the user full freedom to gauge when they're ready to purchase while not having to wait years before it's fully finished. 
• I would judge the developer on how they handle the next few months and how well they keep their promises more than on the initial release. They have been very transparent so far, and that's all I ask. 
• A corollary to the above for developers who want to use this model: don't have a youtuber basically speak fo you for a month and be the only source of (very partial) information while you stay completely quiet. This is no dig at Aviationlads. Their videos are great, but obviously, they were a bit fast and loose with what infomation they gave, so people got the wrong impression. 
• I don't see the dig at PMDG that others in this thread mentioned. The part about the EFB was something brought up by a viewer and picked up by the streamer. All the developer did was laugh and say nothing. That's not what I call a dig, so defining him unprofessional is IMHO unfair. 
• Calling it a "Money grab" is a bit ridiculous. Newsflash: all payware developers want to "grab" your money. They're businesses. I'd reserve that kind of definition used negatively for what another developer did, offering a "pre-sale" and creating artificial scarcity and FOMO by making part of the product exclusive to it so that people feel compelled to buy before *any* part of the project is available, because if they don't, they lose the chance to get part of that product (however small) forever. On the contrary with the E-Jets you're simply given the option to jump in whenever you want without missing a single thing, while providing the developer with a revenue stream to keep development going. There's no FOMO because whether you jump in today or the day before the final release, you get exactly the same thing at the same price. 
• Ultimately, I absolutely don't see a logical reason for some of the extreme negativity I'm seeing. It's a product with potential. Do we know if that'll potential will be realized (fully or in part?)? No. We have to wait and see, and we don't need to spend a dime before we're satisfied. 

PS: as an additional personal note, I'd rather have a beer (perhaps a bit begrudgingly) with the kid that made an overly enthusiastic video using superlatives that were out of place, then with the other youtuber who made an ultratoxic negativity-filled video trying so very hard to attack the developers and mock and publicly humiliate said overly-enthusiastic kid. Misplaced hype is a problem and it's definitely not great, but seething, toxic negativity is even less attractive to me. This community often has a problem with both, but the latter is definitely a bigger issue. 🤔

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by Abriael

12 hours ago, F737MAX said:

A quick review of what has been said in the livestream so far:

• Updates planned “every 2 weeks”
• “Final version is aiming to be something at that level” (re: systems, physics and realism in comparison to PMDG, Fenix and ToLiss). Have the knowledge and the people (8) in the dev team to do this, just not enough of them.
• “More than 15 type-rated pilots” on the test team.
• “Avionics, still a lot to do. Biggest and longest part to do”.
• “No surcharge. All updates free” if buy early access. (Expected higher price for 'final' version).
• 'Early access purchase' guarantees the E-170 for free. No timeline for that model yet, though.
• E-190 and E-195 expected and to be sold as separate package.
• To be available on Aerosoft store and “at some point” on the MSFS marketplace, though the AS version will be updated more frequently due to traditional slowness of updates appearing in Marketplace.
• EFB is basic at the moment, but “expected” to have Naivgraph and SimBrief integration later. Also, can physically be re-positioned in cockpit.
• Development time so far on E-170 project is 12 months.

#SavedYouAClick
#SavedYouWatching

I do not read the whole thread but being on PMDG and Fenix Level. LMFAO get out of here. Nice try they not fooling anyone they are on the Aerosoft Just Flight level maybe just like that developer making a 757 and a supposed 767. All hype.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970

9 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

I do not read the whole thread but being on PMDG and Fenix Level. LMFAO get out of here. Nice try they not fooling anyone they are on the Aerosoft Just Flight level maybe just like that developer making a 757 and a supposed 767. All hype.

Good on you. It must be nice to have a crystal ball. 😂

It's funny, because a bit over year or so ago, I heard people saying exactly the same thing about Fenix. 🤔

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by Abriael

4 minutes ago, Abriael said:

Good on you. It must be nice to have a crystal ball. 😂

It's funny, because a bit over year or so ago, I heard people saying exactly the same thing about Fenix. 🤔

WHAT? Fenix is actually Elite in the MSFS world and they delivered a solid "High Fidelity" product that many people "the content Youtube and Twitch creators" talk about.. This here is all hype trying to compete with Aerosoft and the CRJ level. Sorry to get people's panties in a bunch.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970

1 minute ago, jbdbow1970 said:

WHAT? Fenix is actually Elite in the MSFS world and they delivered a solid "High Fidelity" product that many people "the content Youtube and Twitch creators" talk about.. This here is all hype trying to compete with Aerosoft and the CRJ level. Sorry to get people's panties in a bunch.

And yet, a year ago a lot of people were saying that Fenix was all hype and they'd never be at the same level of PMDG and the like. Hence, your comment feels very, very familiar. 😂

6 minutes ago, Abriael said:

And yet, a year ago a lot of people were saying that Fenix was all hype and they'd never be at the same level of PMDG and the like. Hence, your comment feels very, very familiar. 😂

Well Fenix was hype and they delivered as they said.  Nice try though downplaying their accomplishment and proved the haters wrong. I had trust in them in the beginning just like I did with PMDG. Unlike these others like AS.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970

4 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Well Fenix was hype and they delivered as they said.  Nice try thought downplaying their accomplishment and proved the haters wrong. I had trust in them in the beginning just like I did with PMDG. Unlike these others like AS.

You should try reading things carefully and understanding them before responding. No one is downplaying what Fenix has accomplished. 

Fact is that the "haters" that Fenix proved wrong were behaving toward them exactly as you are now toward this developer. They could very well prove you wrong exactly in the same way. 

Probably better to wait and see what they can deliver. So far, as far as I've seen, they haven't released a bad product.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by Abriael

32 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

I do not read the whole thread but being on PMDG and Fenix Level. LMFAO get out of here. Nice try they not fooling anyone they are on the Aerosoft Just Flight level maybe just like that developer making a 757 and a supposed 767. All hype.

You don't need to read the whole thread but at least read the single post you quote. I'll quote the important part for you: "Final version is aiming to be something at that level"

I think on both sides of the spectrum, both are right to a certain degree. The flightsim community has been quite bipolar at times, (one week before release: grrrr this product sux!!! 😡 the next day after release: OMG i love this product 😍) but I think this negativity stems from the community being more apprehensive and skeptical with developers that has never made a product, for good reason. Although this community could have some more positivity (the name-calling only demotivates the developers, making it LESS likely the product will live up to expectations) I think using the "it's early access" excuse all the time also doesn't really help them. Developers do need to know when the decisions they've made might not be ideal, so calling them out is appropriate. 

Just now, Abriael said:

You should try reading things carefully

I suggest you do the same thing. These companies are not competing with PMDG or Fenix in the level of detail LETS GET THAT STRAIGHT FIRST. But nothing wrong with them being on a Aerosoft or Just Flight level as far as delivering average payware products. Thats what most people want anyways. But my MO is get a product out first and hype it later, just like the folks doing a so called 767 and are a year away from their 757 release. All hype. 

1 minute ago, arwasairl said:

with developers that has never made a product, for good reason.

This developer has already delivered an aircraft and two airports, and they still have to release a bad product. On top of that, they have developed the gliders that went into the 40th anniversary edition. Sure. This is their first airliner, but they're fars from new kids on the block who have never made a product.

1 minute ago, jbdbow1970 said:

I suggest you do the same thing. These companies are not competing with PMDG or Fenix in the level of detail LETS GET THAT STRAIGHT FIRST. 

You don't know that. Only time will tell who they can compete with. Incidentally, all caps does not really add any validity to what you say. 🤔

3 minutes ago, Abriael said:

This developer has already delivered an aircraft and two airports, and they still have to release a bad product.

You're right. Though I think the main concern here is more of the fact that this developer hasn't made a product of this size and magnitude, which is why a lot of people are pretty skeptical.

1 minute ago, arwasairl said:

You're right. Though I think the main concern here is more of the fact that this developer hasn't made a product of this size and magnitude, which is why a lot of people are pretty skeptical.

It depends on what you consider size and magnitude. I am fairly confident the gliders for the 40th anniversary edition were a very sizable project, with a much more demanding corporate customer to satisfy to boot. 

It's a different product, but we're not looking at a completely umproven developer. 

12 minutes ago, Abriael said:

 

You don't know that. Only time will tell who they can compete with. Incidentally, all caps does not really add any validity to what you say. 🤔

LOL compete good luck to them getting an airframe in MSFS at the same level as PMDG or Fenix. maybe in  4-5 years. All caps was to clean your ears out and face reality.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by jbdbow1970

19 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

LOL compete good luck to them getting an airframe in MSFS at the same level as PMDG or Fenix. maybe in  4-5 years. All caps was to clean yore ears out and face reality.

Luck isn't involved in making good flight simulation products. 

I'll just paste this from the developer's discord.

I'm far for a blind believer, and I certainly won't buy on day one, but this project has potential to be good, so I'm happy to give the developers the benefit of the doubt until I'm proven wrong.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by Abriael