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ATC audio of the near collision at KJFK.

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Yikes, every time I go to Kennedy I feel like it’s a disaster waiting to happen,….because it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Any idea at what speed the Delta rejected from ?

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1 hour ago, jon b said:

Any idea at what speed the Delta rejected from ?

I read that they had reached 100mph when their take off clearance was cancelled. The PIC used very heavy braking to ensure stopping as short as possible.

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2 hours ago, jon b said:

Yikes, every time I go to Kennedy I feel like it’s a disaster waiting to happen,….because it is a disaster waiting to happen.

Any idea at what speed the Delta rejected from ?

The timeline extracted from the ADS-B data:

01:44:29Z DL1943 start of TO roll
01:44:30Z AA106 at JKB junction
01:44:39Z DL1943 40 kts
01:44:43Z AA106 entering 4L at J
01:44:47Z DL1943 79 kts
01:44:54Z AA106 at mid 4L (interpolated between data points assuming constant taxi speed)
01:44:55Z DL1943 104 kts, max speed, at K3/K4, about 2000 ft from J
01:44:58Z DL1943 85 knots
01:45:00Z DL1943 62 knots
01:45:05Z AA106 free from 4L on J
01:45:05Z DL1943 33 knots at junction 31L/4L

Thanks gents, I just watched the video haven’t read anything further, forgive my laziness.

The reason I asked is that typically anything above 80kts is considered a high speed high energy reject and is only done for select critical criteria of which this situation obviously qualifies under the “unsafe or unable to continue’ criteria .

So this would indeed be a major issue for the Delta crew with the possibility of wheel fuse plugs melting etc and the psychological impact on the crew to continue operating even if the aircraft was fit to continue, which it wouldn’t have been.

A lack of situational awareness from the American certainly but it has to be said that JFK doesn’t help itself with badly marked and extremely badly lit taxiways ( the times provided by RobPol471 above show it was dark), and rapidly barked ATC taxi instructions.

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18 hours ago, jon b said:

A lack of situational awareness from the American certainly but it has to be said that JFK doesn’t help itself with badly marked and extremely badly lit taxiways

 

One possible cause of the lack of S.A. on the flight deck of AA106 is the new cockpit procedures implemented by AA at the start of this month.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/3-american-airlines-pilots-cockpit-112500937.html

ALPA isn't a fan of how training was delivered. AA says it's FAA approved.


What's concerning is that there have been a number of serious runway incursions at JFK:

July 2005: https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/183048-runway-incursion-jfk-6-july-two-jets-nearly-crash-kennedy.html
July 2008: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25675511
January 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qraWv5WHqGU
January 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rJhdvguc
 

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