January 17, 20233 yr According to the reconstructions, the pilots of flight AAL106 instead of turning right on the taxiway, continued straight across the runway 4L while the Delta 737 was taking off. The 737 Delta pilots managed to stop within approximately 1000 feet of the 777. https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2023/01/16/4723690538358688345/640x360_MP4_4723690538358688345.mp4
January 17, 20233 yr Yikes, every time I go to Kennedy I feel like it’s a disaster waiting to happen,….because it is a disaster waiting to happen. Any idea at what speed the Delta rejected from ? 787 captain. Previously 24 years on 747-400.Technical advisor on PMDG 747 legacy versions QOTS 1 , FS9 and Aerowinx PS1.
January 17, 20233 yr Moderator 1 hour ago, jon b said: Any idea at what speed the Delta rejected from ? I read that they had reached 100mph when their take off clearance was cancelled. The PIC used very heavy braking to ensure stopping as short as possible. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
January 17, 20233 yr Author 2 hours ago, jon b said: Yikes, every time I go to Kennedy I feel like it’s a disaster waiting to happen,….because it is a disaster waiting to happen. Any idea at what speed the Delta rejected from ? The timeline extracted from the ADS-B data: 01:44:29Z DL1943 start of TO roll 01:44:30Z AA106 at JKB junction 01:44:39Z DL1943 40 kts 01:44:43Z AA106 entering 4L at J 01:44:47Z DL1943 79 kts 01:44:54Z AA106 at mid 4L (interpolated between data points assuming constant taxi speed) 01:44:55Z DL1943 104 kts, max speed, at K3/K4, about 2000 ft from J 01:44:58Z DL1943 85 knots 01:45:00Z DL1943 62 knots 01:45:05Z AA106 free from 4L on J 01:45:05Z DL1943 33 knots at junction 31L/4L
January 17, 20233 yr Thanks gents, I just watched the video haven’t read anything further, forgive my laziness. The reason I asked is that typically anything above 80kts is considered a high speed high energy reject and is only done for select critical criteria of which this situation obviously qualifies under the “unsafe or unable to continue’ criteria . So this would indeed be a major issue for the Delta crew with the possibility of wheel fuse plugs melting etc and the psychological impact on the crew to continue operating even if the aircraft was fit to continue, which it wouldn’t have been. A lack of situational awareness from the American certainly but it has to be said that JFK doesn’t help itself with badly marked and extremely badly lit taxiways ( the times provided by RobPol471 above show it was dark), and rapidly barked ATC taxi instructions. 787 captain. Previously 24 years on 747-400.Technical advisor on PMDG 747 legacy versions QOTS 1 , FS9 and Aerowinx PS1.
January 18, 20233 yr 18 hours ago, jon b said: A lack of situational awareness from the American certainly but it has to be said that JFK doesn’t help itself with badly marked and extremely badly lit taxiways One possible cause of the lack of S.A. on the flight deck of AA106 is the new cockpit procedures implemented by AA at the start of this month.https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/3-american-airlines-pilots-cockpit-112500937.html ALPA isn't a fan of how training was delivered. AA says it's FAA approved. What's concerning is that there have been a number of serious runway incursions at JFK: July 2005: https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/183048-runway-incursion-jfk-6-july-two-jets-nearly-crash-kennedy.html July 2008: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna25675511 January 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qraWv5WHqGU January 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rJhdvguc AMD Ryzen 5800X3D; MSI RTX 3080 Ti ; 32GB Corsair 3200 MHz; ASUS VG35VQ 35" (3440 x 1440) Fulcrum One yoke; Thrustmaster TCA Captain Pack Airbus edition; MFG Crosswind rudder pedals; miniCockpit FCU; CPFlight MCP 737; Logitech FIP x3; TrackIR MSFS; Fenix A320; A2A PA-24; HPG H145; PMDG 737-600; AIG; RealTraffic; PSXTraffic; FSiPanel; REX AccuSeason Adv; FSDT GSX Pro; FS2Crew RAAS Pro; FS-ATC Chatter
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