Thanks jabberwok for the tip which I will check out after I have dinner.

And thanks for your thoughts on my water airport CAX3. I also have created water airports for Whistler (CAE5) and Vancouver Harbour (CYHC) all at flightsim.to

2 minutes ago, Jarnie said:

Thanks. That worked.  I set all assists to hard and the throttle now works ok.

I don't want all assists to be hard though so which ones should I set to easy and which ones to medium or hard?

 

 

I'm not sure - I'm just so used to flying with it all off (except ATC) so I don't know what benefits what.  You could experiment with a few things to see what difference it makes.  I'm tempted to re-enable the one that lets me find the right parking spot at large airports, though.

5 minutes ago, Jarnie said:

Thanks jabberwok for the tip which I will check out after I have dinner.

And thanks for your thoughts on my water airport CAX3. I also have created water airports for Whistler (CAE5) and Vancouver Harbour (CYHC) all at flightsim.to

Will explore!

Thanks again everyone for your patience and assistance.

I have now set all assists to EASY (I will readjust them later) BUT have set the following PILOTING assists OFF

Auto Rudder

Assisted Yoke

Assisted Landing

Assisted Takeoff

AI Auto Trim

The throttle is working correctly. I am wondering if assisted takeoff is the one which affected the throttle on water. When I 'come down to ground' I will test each one to determine which one affected the throttle.

I now claim that the latest MSFS UPDATE has changed something here as I have not adjusted assist setting for many months and the throttle was never a problem in the past. It is some time since I flew an amphibian from water (well before the last update) when the throttle worked correctly.

 

 

The auto-rudder would be my first thought. 
 

10 hours ago, Jarnie said:

I now claim that the latest MSFS UPDATE has changed something here as I have not adjusted assist setting for many months and the throttle was never a problem in the past. It is some time since I flew an amphibian from water (well before the last update) when the throttle worked correctly.

I have had my MSFS assistance settings messed up twice in the past with two different MSFS updates. I now check those settings first thing after an MSFS update, because as you have experienced, it's very frustrating when it happens and you are not aware of it. Glad to see you are getting it sorted though. My bet would be the assisted throttle setting causing your problem, but that is just a guess on my part 🙂 

Edited February 22, 20233 yr by sniper31

7 hours ago, sniper31 said:

I now check those settings first thing after an MSFS update

Thanks.  I must do the same. The problem though at least for me is remembering what settings I have set up. I believe the settings are in "the cloud". Is there a way of backing up some (.cfg?) file which contains them? If not is there a method to enable a user to print out all their settings?

16 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

The auto-rudder would be my first thought. 

I started to reset pilot assists back to ON one at a time.

Firstly           auto-rudder     the throttle still worked correctly

Secondly     Assisted Takeoff (which was my guess)    the throttle would NOT work correctly just as it was when I first posted this thread.

And so the answer to the throttle problem was ASSISTED TAKEOFF.

I will be going thought all 'assists' and setting them OFF where I don't want them.

I have been in touch with a (FS internet) friend and he also believes that when there is a world or other (MSFS) update, then they often if not everytime, reset options such as assists back to defaults.

If user settings are in fact written to "the cloud" via their account, then why don't they update them after the update from "the cloud" unless of course something in the update is 'sensitive' to the users settings but if any are then the user should be advised as part of the update to manually update their personal settings/assists.

 

This is most annoying.

I found a good youtube video on 'assists' here

In the video the author suggests turning all the PILOT assists off AND that Asobo usually turns them all ON during each update which is most annoying and they don't really have the right to do so and especially not to warn users.

 

If I remember that far back - it's been this way since the early '90's - maybe FS5?  As Jabble_Wok and crimplene suggested - >    ALWAYS set 'em to Hard, except for the ATC: The Rudder, in particular - is one of the (too many) biggest pains in this sim.

I am wondering if there is a BUG as when selecting ASSISTS there is a brief description on right of screen and for ASSISTED TAKEOFF it displays -

Adjust whether you want AI assistance for throttle, pitch .........   When active this assist will attempt to adjust the above systems, BUT any user inputs will resume manual controls and override the AI.

IMHO that means that the YES setting will be overridden and that normal throttle will resume to manual control. It does NOT. Movement of the elevators, throttle etc using the joystick and the throttle remains uncontrollable.

Am I correct? Should I flag this as a bug and if so what is the web site address where I do that?

 

. . . . . and this happens ONLY when you take off from water?

Edit: Ok... Not having flown from water since this sim came out, John, but having flown a Champ off water  a while ago - I asked that because, for most aircraft, the S.O.P is to retract the water rudder, and I wondered about your usage of it on take-off, so I took the old 172 and took off from Toronto City Airport and sploshed down onto the water, flying with all Assistance set to hard. A water taxy with the water rudder down was fine, then retracted it, and did a take-off, circuit, and one landing later - I surmised the aircraft was faultless, so I engaged some "take-off assistance". For starters it wanted to high-idle - maybe 1500 rpm - down the runway. . .  I fire-walled the throttle and found I had to keep pumping it over about an inch at full (home-built MD80), to keep it from closing, so I backed off and taxy'd off the end and into the water, pulling the gear up as it went in, then dropping the water rudder, which worked fine. I did some taxying around, using the outside view so I could se the gear, flaps and so on, then started a run for take-off. It behaved exactly as you describe, pumping or moving controls around make almost no difference - certainly not handing over command to one's self. It was a struggle to get airborne get airborne and the external view showed the flaps being retracted at an airspeed that was at that time, difficult to maintain. A beginner would be in deep doo-doo.

This is an "Assistance" that ought better be described as a "Hindrance", John, and is as useless as the "Rudder Assistance" is, or was, (which is better fixed through the exponential Sensitivity section of the control tuning setup.)  There's nothing wrong with the 172 when set to Hard - it works just fine, just as in the real world. I suspect all of the other aircraft do, too. I would certainly say it's a bug, but may well be more a question of "how does one recognise that the pilot is indeed on a runway, and is ready to commence the take-off run - as opposed to doing a static engine run to test for a mag drop?"  Does anyone test this stuff? Why put it in production if it doesn't work as it should?

It doesn't help the new pilot at all, and drives the long-time simmers up the wall.

pj

Edited February 24, 20233 yr by Paul J

5 hours ago, Paul J said:

This is an "Assistance" that ought better be described as a "Hindrance",

Thanks Paul for your testing and posting the results.

When I experienced the problem with the throttle I think that I tried everything including with water rudders up and down and also with the brake engaged and not (not that it makes any difference on water), gear up and down as well as all flaps settings.

Yes I have no issues when everything set to hard but as soon as you 'engage' Assisted Takeoff the throttle is inoperative.

I found where to log bugs and have done so.

5 hours ago, Paul J said:

It doesn't help the new pilot at all, and drives the long-time simmers up the wall.

Exactly. For novices and newbies they may not have a clue and end up not wanting to fly floatplanes.

I did notice today after the latest 'world update' (for New Zealand) that my ASSISTS settings had NOT been altered which I think does happen during some updates.

 

 

1 minute ago, Jarnie said:

I did notice today after the latest 'world update' (for New Zealand) that my ASSISTS settings had NOT been altered which I think does happen during some updates.

Maybe they finally listened to you!  Or else they just forgot and they'll be reset in the next patch :-0

2 hours ago, JabbleWok said:

Or else they just forgot

Probably