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Hey Mitch-You know this happens after every new release of a flight sim-no matter who makes it..I just went to the fs4 forum-out of 18 posts I saw:sound errorplease help fs9 crashingWilco feelthere airbus (the mods got alerted on this one)no anti-aliasing in fs9fs9 keep minimizingno more aircraft picturesBlurry 2d panels in fs9 with new computerfs9 crashes on loading canadian airportsLooks like about the same number of problems as here-still! :-)I agree though-lets start enjoying! There is much to enjoy!http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpgForum Moderatorhttp://geofageofa.spaces.live.com/

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And here I thought this was gonna be a "darn my computer died" post.

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to be fair to ACES i think FSX was developed and released at a time where we had operating systems changing, XP to Vista and DX9 to DX10.alot of new technology and way different computer specifications across the board! a very turbulent time.i enjoy FSX alot. i think it's a giant leap over FS9. to me it feels like a more refined simulation. i prefer to not state to the decimal point what my framerates are but rather notice if the gameplay is fluid or not, which it is! MY specs: XPSP2AMD X2 44002GIG DDR2 Gigabyte GA-M59SLI-S4XFX 7950GT - 512MB DDR3i run SP1 and currently seem to have no issues, i've yet to get SP2 which i will probably download.-Mitch

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Yes, but Geofa, those problems could be corrected, and then the user had performance restored or for the first time created. FSX keeps crippling along...even with new hardware being released (vid and cpu) to market. I have been jumping around the different sites today, and most feel that DX10 and Vista are in death spasms...This is amazing!This has not been seen in past forums. Issues got resolved!Mitch

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From your lips, to the flight-sim god's ear....Geofa, let's hope so. This is a great and fantastic hobby. I pray for a mind-blowing next release of F.S. One that eradicates the angst created by the present one, and an angst that has had its hold on the flight sim community for so long past its release date.Mitch

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Geof,I was just checking out that link in your signature and saw the picture of you in Deming. I was wondering if you happen to frequent there often. I purchased my 337 from a retired Air Force Major out of Holloman in Deming in 1999. -Mike

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>to be fair to ACES i think FSX was developed and released at>a time where we had operating systems changing, XP to Vista>and DX9 to DX10.>alot of new technology and way different computer>specifications across the board! a very turbulent time.Yes, but they KNEW this! They really gave me the impression FSX was MADE for Vista and DX10! It was supposed to be the Vista/DX10 showcase. At least, that's how always interpreted the news. And I am not the only one. If they had been surprised by Vista and/or DX10, well, okay, let's be fair to ACES, but I have the impression FSX was started with Vista and DX10 in mind. Still, as I said elsewhere, I enjoy FSX, I haven't played FS9 ever since I bought FSX, but that does not mean I am not disappointed in how things evolved.

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Nice post Mitch. I'm sorry that things didn't pan out for you with FSX. Things worked out OK for me but I wasn't counting on DX10 or using Vista. As said above, there's more to it than one ingredient in the mix.And simply put, due to the outright, pure volatility of the topic, for those who are enjoying the new sim, it's still pretty difficult to work up the gumption to post something positive about it because it almost seems inevitable that such a post would be greated with disparaging anti-Microsoft comments, or that you'd be called an "FSX Elitist", "a really excited user" or "Apologist" - names I have seen here in the past, created for and applied to FSX users who speak of having the fun you mention. Or, more recently if one is lucky, it only might degrade to another moot discussion about Crysis or Windlight. So FSX has kinda become an illicit kind of enjoyment, where it must be enjoyed privately behind closed doors, or in the backseat of the family Buick parked out by the lake at night. It's an altogether different scene when flying in a Multiplayer session because everyone there, by necessity, actually owns and enjoys FSX, so the feedback is generally much more amiable....but still, even that kind of illicit enjoyment seems akin to partaking of the "FSX substance" out behind Auto Shop or under the bleachers with your fellow juvenile FSX delinquents. Matter of fact I think I'll listen to some Guess Who when I fly FSX tonight...just modify the lyrics a litte bit:"A smoke-filled room in a corner basement, the situation must be right...a bag of AvGas and a bottle of wine, we're gonna fly to KORS tonight..."[/];)

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I couldn't be happier. My 337 was something a long time in the making. I flew an O-2 as a range sweeper at White Sands for six years after transfering from the 46th TG, so a 337 had been my destiny for awhile. I have been negotiating with a gentleman selling an O-2 in AeroTrader, but now I am finding myelf as attached to the 337 as I was the O-2. It just so happens that my wife talked me into getting a digital camera that she found on sale today. Maybe this weekend I will go take some shots for you to look at.

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ROFL, OMG! Are you saying we have closet FSX'ers now within our midsts???:-lol "the family Buick"--too funny man!

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Yeah I know...shocking and actually it's rather embarassing for me to admit, but since we're being candid and all.....OK.....here goes.......(takes a deep breath)...sometimes, I....ummmm.....I enjoy flying FSX while.....ummmmm (blushes)......while wearing men's underwear......underneath my clothes of course!;)

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It's pure coincidence that the DX10 patch was released at the same time as the 'other' DX10 title (well demo anyway). How can it go so wrong, when its their directx technology anyway?FS always ran slow, but there something has changed in the quality standards. The FS9 patch seemed to work perfectly here. I couldn't remember anyone having a problem with it. Now the testing model has changed and we are left with a slower game and a lot of bugs. Somehow I doubt its the testers fault though.

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I just hope the OP doesn't feel like we're diminishing his post, because it was a good heart felt comment on his part.I just saw your edit above also....ROFL ROFL...huffing AvGas now are we?????

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People are accustomed to being able to throw money at a problem and make it go away.This does not work with MS flight sims. Never hasPeople read that the lastest greatest Nvidia HAL4000 can run the lastest shooter at 6 million frames per second so they race out and buy it.This does not work with MS flight sims. Never has.Performance increases in sims in measured in very small increments per very big $$$$.

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>And simply put, due to the outright, pure volatility of the>topic, for those who are enjoying the new sim, it's still>pretty difficult to work up the gumption to post something>positive about it because it almost seems inevitable that such>a post would be greated with disparaging anti-Microsoft>comments, or that you'd be called an "FSX Elitist", "a really excited user">or "Apologist" - names I have seen here in the past, created>for and applied to FSX users who speak of having the fun you>mention. Or, more recently if one is lucky, it only might>degrade to another moot discussion about Crysis or Windlight.>So FSX has kinda become an illicit kind of enjoyment,>where it must be enjoyed privately behind closed doors, or in>the backseat of the family Buick parked out by the lake at>night. What we have here, is a failure to communicate. :) I am reluctant to express my disappointment in FSX for exactly the same reasons. I also need other people to share my experience. (misery:)). There must be a name for this social situation in which two people believe (for the same reasons) their opposite experiences will be belittled on the same forum. LOL.Bob...

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While I had bought FSX about a week after release to market, and with a lot of other users, tweaked it to death on a machine that renders FS9 so beautifully...and finally not getting it to perform enough to suspend 'disbelief' I decided to sell it to a friend.This was the first time I have ever wanted to divest myself of software and of course take a loss financially for doing so.But hey, each to their own. There are many (Geofa for one) that simply love FSX and all the power to each and every one of them. Why shouldn't they have a blast, if their needs have been met? Unfortunately, for a lot of us, it didn't.Those are the breaks, and that's life.What is a sad day to me, is that past the release of FSX, there is no more 'energy' in the forums. I mean...quite positive, up-beat energy of:"Oh Wow....hey people, have you seen this? Have you tried that feature? Here is a tweak that makes it even BETTER!"Vibrant energy that ran through the FS9 era posts, as persons upgraded their boxes and then GOT the performance they had hoped for. Not one person couldn't do that by merely opening up his or her wallet/purse.Oh yeah...there was MAJOR energy at first with FSX's initial release. People saw sub-par performance on their present machines...and some early adopters went out and dropped THOUSANDS of dollars on a new system for the single express motivation of wanting one $80.00 program to run efficiently and smoothly. For most, even with spending that loot, ...it has been fleeting at best.Wait for DX10. Wait for DX10 enabled cards. Wait for the drivers to fire them up. Wait for SP1. Wait for SP2. Wait...wait...Acceleration was delivered not ten days ago, and the posts have trailed off. The excitement of the first day died on the stake as within MINUTES it seems, the bug and angst posts started appearing.For every one post discussing the new feature, or added feature that came with Acceleration, there were twenty that seemed to say; "that I can't even get this to work, by putting this on my system, things that DID work, preinstall, now do not", and on and on.Guys and gals...this is only one person's personal opinion, but in hindsight, I feel that FSX did more harm to the flight sim community then it did to advance the hobby. We have two camps now, FS9 and FSX that has never happened before! Never! All the energy in the past,was focused in the forums on the most **current release**.A sad day. Since Acceleration's release, and disappointments in the implementation of the long-awaited DX10 'promise' to those that early adopted the hardware for it, and all the other headaches for those that put it onto their systems, this forum has all the excitement of a morgue! I'm NOT talking about the amount of posts, but rather the ENERGY of the posts. It is simply and chronically--lacking.Many, MANY persons are totally dis-heartened now. Many are deflated. You can see this even in their choice of syntax within their posts. The DX10 bubble of hope has burst.I hope so much, that if the next release of FS indeed gets created and comes out, that it will be right out of the shrink-wrap---a working MARVEL, that within a month after release, MOST persons will be right on-board---totally enjoying, perhaps (as we all like to tinker)tweaking for this and that to EMBELLISH the already great performance on the user's high-end machine of the day of release!I raise a glass to that hope! We need the fun, and synergy back of the past releases!!!!!!!!Planes flying...people ENJOYING, and not a few, but for the most of us.Mitch

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I'm really surprised you did that!With the brand new screen and all...I'm really leery that your 24" Samsung might have brought your FSX to its knees performance-wise, and I would hope that the LCD wasn't part of the reason for your FSX performance problems...because this would give me something to (not) look forward too if I bought one, too.At any rate, shocked you would go back to a previous ver...but good for you, whatever you choose to do, go for it full force!RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Rhett,Actually higher resolutions in LCD's affect performance in all games, it's just 10X more noticable in FS.Graphics card companies are able to overcome most of those issues with faster speeds, OC'ing, etc., to a point where most people don't realize that it's even an issue until they start running FS (any version).

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>I'm really surprised you did that!>>With the brand new screen and all...>>I'm really leery that your 24" Samsung might have brought your>FSX to its knees performance-wise, and I would hope that the>LCD wasn't part of the reason for your FSX performance>problems...because this would give me something to (not) look>forward too if I bought one, too.>>At any rate, shocked you would go back to a previous ver...but>good for you, whatever you choose to do, go for it full>force!>Mitch got rid of FSX a long time ago...Never gave it a real chance :D Of course, all the time he was hating it, I was finding some great finds in the product; but still use FS9 too. FSX just can't cover all the bases, IMO; but that doesn't surprise me. L.Adamson

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We use to hand the freshman at my old high school a bucket and then tell them to fill it up with prop wash..whiffing it here!

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