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OK, I just saw the performance analysis that another poster gave of SP1 vs. SP2, I am not impressed. I did buy Acceleration and all it does is crash FSX and I cannot utilize it. Is SP2 going to be released as a separate entity? If so, just what is so special about it other than DX10/Vista stuff, which quite frankly I am avoiding Vista at least another 6 months. Windows XP Home SP2FSX SP1Nvidia 8800 GTS 163.XX4 GIGS RAMMatrox TripleHeadRandy Jura, KPDX

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Jim, I uninstalled Acceleration. It crashes FSX. Are you saying SP2 is still on my machine?Randy Jura, KPDX

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Yes, it is. Now I'm wondering if SP2 will crash FSX in December. Randy Jura, KPDX

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I was wondering the very same thing. First, can some one explain what will SP2 do for Vista users. Will we expect a dramatic increase in performance? When will it be out? I hear so much about it, it seems so many people got it, but I feel left in the dark. Can someone be kind to explain this? I am sure I am not the only one looking for this answer.

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But you didn't tell us why it's being 'held back' until December?

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Hi Phil and thanks for answering so quickly.I have read both url's you sent me but am still confused as to the content of SP2 alledgedly contained within 'Acceleration'?You state that SP2 has gone out to beta so, what is the SP2 within Acceleration?Is it defective or, is the beta SP2 an improved 'SP2' to be ready for download before Xmas?

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Acceleration "includes" SP2.If the latest effort involves "separating" the DX10 graphics "update" and Acceleration content, it could be termed a separate "SP2" download.If a single change is added to fix some of the problems then it is not "SP2". That code would be different to the "SP2" in Acceleration! It would be like releasing another version of flight simulator now and calling it FSX! Not possible.

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It is really very simple.Acceleration has SP2 built-in to it.SP2 will also be available separately; with the features I mention and without the new planes, missions, scenery areas, or sim features that are the meat of Acceleration. It is the same SP2 as contained in Acceleration. Noting more, nothing lessAny separate product has to validate the build. In the case of SP2, we also have to validate the same set of fixes are indeed in the build. And we need to validate the setup for SP2, which is completely different than the one on DVD. And there are 8 separate languages to validate. There is actually quite a lot of work to accomplish. That is why reaching SP2 beta is an important milestone.Nothing happens by magic.

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>It is really very simple.---------------------------------1.Maybe for you to understand but not for the majority of us simmers who were born way before computers were even dreamt of.........----------------------------------------------->>Acceleration has SP2 built-in to it.----------------------------------------------2. So, I'm assuming that the only section that works with SP2 is, Acceleration and the missions and aircraft contained therein?-----------------------------------------------------------------. It is the>same SP2 as contained in Acceleration. Nothing more, nothing>less-------------------------------------------------------------3. So, why did you not individulize it before you released Acceleration? Was it not to become available unless, we bought Acceleration?-------------------------------------------------------------->>Any separate product has to validate the build. In the case of>SP2, we also have to validate the same set of fixes are indeed>in the build. And we need to validate the setup for SP2, which>is completely different than the one on DVD.---------------------------------------------------------------4. You have just stated that it is the same previously, I'm very confused now.---------------------------------------------------------------- And there are 8>separate languages to validate. There is actually quite a lot>of work to accomplish.---------------------------------------------------------------5. For what, is Acceleration not available to everyone?------------------------------------------------------------- That is why reaching SP2 beta is an>important milestone.>>Nothing happens by magic.--------------------------------------------------------------6. No one would expect that would they? I just fail to understand the logic apart from a marketing ploy to force everyone interested in having SP2 as soon as possible?Phil, thanking you in advance for your answers.

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I fail to understand why when I try to talk about product team "stuff" elements of the community continue to treat it as "propaganda" ( direct quote from another thread ) and "a marketing ploy". (direct quote from this thread ).As that is the level of discourse in this thread, I am done with this thread.

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The service pack 2 fixes come already in fsx acceleration built in now Phil and his team have to build a version of sp2 without the acceleration stuff like aircraft, gauges, sounds, scenery, etc etc. And then have that tested over some systems which are also in different languages, and they also have to make sure the installer works good and detects if you have sp1 or if you don't have it so it can properly install everything, makes sense that it takes time for all this to happen.The fsx acceleration add on for fsx contains service pack 2 with service pack 1 in it also, and the dx10 preview it is not the full directx 10 its just a preview the separate service pack 2 which users will able to download and install includes fixes which are in service pack 1 and of course the fixes and updates from service pack 2 with a direct x 10 preview, It is not the full directx10 and of course it wont have all the aircraft sounds scenery from fsx acceleration nothing has changed in sp2 the fsx acceleration is the same as this sp2 that is gonna be available to all of us for download.

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It's surprising it can take a couple of months to release a patch for features which are already final and beta tested. If the program was designed into components you could have separate modules for the graphics engine, languages, ui, atc, flight modelling etc etc.It would be a lot simpler to handle these updates, as currently it seems like a big mess.

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I will try one more time to explain, although I dont know why I bother, and hopefully no one will persist in being rude and insulting. Once per thread is enough for me.While the features may have been final, they have not been tested. So you are dead wrong there.Since SP2 as a web download is a separate product we have treated it as such. SP2 is in a separate source tree. That is really the only way to be sure about what you are developing and building. Trying to build 2 products out of 1 tree is inviting disaster.Because it is in a separate source tree, it requires a separate build process. Any separate build requires separate testing by definition.That is how the "form" of SP2, in that it is a separate product in a separate tree with a separate build process, dictates future actions. Because it is a separate product and treated as such, the bits are most decidely not "just sitting on the shelf".On to the rest of what has to happen before we can ship. Once all Acceleration languages were finalized ( and it took a couple weeks to do that after Acceleration RTM for all additional languages ), we could then turn our focus onto SP2. The single setup developer we have had to then write the setup for SP2. Without a setup, we have nothing. Then we had to validate the contents of SP2. To do this, we then had to go back thru the bug database and checkin mails and validate all fixes that should be in both trees where. And we found a couple that, in the heat of trying to finalize Acceleration, were indeed not checked in both trees.Once that process was complete, we then could kick off SP2 builds. And start the localization process for SP2, since we have a shared Loc team in geographically dispersed areas ( Dublin, Tokyo, Taiwan, Korea ) we direct that process but do not own it and have our hands tied as to how fast things progress.Once the SP2 builds got to a certain stability, we could then post an SP2 beta to validate:1) setup, 2) the required fixes are indeed in, and 3) that free flight multiplayer between SP2 and Acceleration is indeed compatible. That is all important testing and cannot be skipped.So reaching SP2 beta is an important milestone and one which justified my blogging about it to inform the community as to progress.Back-seat engineering is just as useful as back-seat driving.

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I really do not know why some of the forum members come down on the Aces team like this. They have just delivered a really superb add-on, Acceleration, for one heck of a good price and they are in the process of releasing for free, the SP2 portion of this add-on.They are actively participating in these forums to help and explain where they can. They deserve some credit and thanks IMHO, instead of having us second guessing them all the time.

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Could not have said it any better Bert! Mega Thanks to ACES for being involved in the community.

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It's because some people on this forum have no life and nothing better to do than to whinge and complain.(before anyone points it out I can see the irony in my post)I personally have a lot of respect for the ACES team - thanks ACES for working tirelessly to provide such a great product!James

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Geof, next time, look me up !I live on the coast, 10 minutes from that hockey stick.My local GA airfield is CAM3 which is lovingly recreated in the Victoria+ scenery. Don't take your Baron there though, the runway is neither wide nor long enough :-)

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