WMR headsets no longer work with Windows 11 v.24H2

[JacquesBrel 639]

1 hour ago, threexgreen said:

Is the USB connection used to power the headset only or is it a wired solution to replace the streaming part completely?

Both.

The USB connection is called "Quest Link" just like the wireless connection is called "Air Link", meaning that both types link the headset to your PC and enables the PC to stream to your headset. They work exactly the same.

The USB connection from the PC will also deliver power to the Quest battery, and the battery will drain slower than Air Link. Depending on the power delivery from your PC USB port, and the power rating of the USB cable, the headset battery can last 3-4 hours or more. I use a 100W USB cable and my motherboard delivers almost enough power to keep the battery charged - it only drains around 4-5% per hour. But in normal circumstances you can expect around 3-4 hours battery life.

[craigeaglefire 197]

20 hours ago, dogmanbird said:

Provided i've got the link / VD resolution set accordingly, quest 3 is about 94% of the reverb g2's razor sharp centre (but it covers the full fov). Those few % being lost in compression 

For me, q3 native "in-headset" menu text/gfx sharpness is about 98% of the g2's centre sharpness. They're very close.

& the much understood Quest Pro has full DCI-P3 colour gamut, plus the advantage of superior QLED screens with highest quality edge-to-edge  pancake lenses,

the so called ‘compression’ complaint is largely overstated - the Pro is a huge advance over the direct connected Rift S, for example,

plus, the wireless mode works extremely well with the Quest Pro with very high quality WiFi 6 connection & ISP,

plus, there is a plethora of standalone apps - even Xbox content now 🙂

[threexgreen 3,142]

13 hours ago, JacquesBrel said:

The USB connection is called "Quest Link" just like the wireless connection is called "Air Link", meaning that both types link the headset to your PC and enables the PC to stream to your headset. They work exactly the same.

Just to clarify - The USB connection is delivering the picture with no wireless streaming involved? How does that work with no DP or HDMI cable plugged into the GPU?

[craigeaglefire 197]

4 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

The USB connection is delivering the picture

Exactly

[JacquesBrel 639]

2 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

Just to clarify - The USB connection is delivering the picture with no wireless streaming involved? How does that work with no DP or HDMI cable plugged into the GPU?

Air Link wireless streaming is just video data streamed via a wifi connection. The USB Quest Link is precisely the same - video data streamed via a USB connection. The video data from your PC is just a compressed video stream like what you see on YouTube where compressed video data is streamed from the YouTube servers to your PC.

[dogmanbird 269]

to put into perspective and try and put a figure on it, the pro for me is about 84% of the g2 centre detail/resolution (same link/VD options and after compression) and a bit more visible screen door than q3. Blacks are a little blacker over q3, but not worth the tradeoff imho. The passthrough is notably worse than q3 and the colours drift around over the b&w image, so if we ever get to the point of easy to use OpenXR passthrough masking in mixed reality, it might be a minus. However, the dynamic fov rendering might be an advantage for anyone still rocking a 3000 series since the cards are lacking dedicated chips for handling the USB compression. Though I think anyone accustomed to the performance of a G2 on a 3000 card may be a bit disappointed with the lower resolution of the pro, plus having to use the dfr just to regain the fps they had on the G2, even with the great lenses. hard to say and need to try it for yourself Marc

pro is a move up from rift s and quest 2  for sure

Edited February 15 by dogmanbird

[threexgreen 3,142]

14 minutes ago, JacquesBrel said:

Air Link wireless streaming is just video data streamed via a wifi connection. The USB Quest Link is precisely the same - video data streamed via a USB connection. The video data from your PC is just a compressed video stream like what you see on YouTube where compressed video data is streamed from the YouTube servers to your PC.

Ah okay, thanks. I thought it was a connection like a PCVR headset.

[craigeaglefire 197]

It’s a shame the HP Reverb is dead now,

we’re just pointing out some current VR HMD options for you…

[craigeaglefire 197]

40 minutes ago, dogmanbird said:

The passthrough is notably worse than q3

seriously, who cares about passthrough?

it is merely there for convenience…

[dogmanbird 269]

i do 🙂    i've used it with the steam app and VD and it's great on q3, but the drop in fps with steam over openxr is not worth it at this stage (at least not for me) plus i don't seem to be able to use any reprojection

Amazon has a great return arrangement. For anyone wanting to try both at once back to back and are fortunate enough to have the funds available to buy both at once, and then return one, it's the way to do it 

edit - not my video, but looks like an openxr-only method might work  

 

Edited February 15 by dogmanbird

[craigeaglefire 197]

I’m quite sure that Meta will vastly improve passthrough in their next generation of HMDs,

even the Apple Vision Pro at US$3500 has nowhere near ‘Retina display’ passthrough,

& it’s good that Meta improved passthrough performance on the Q3,

Meta is working hard in the VR/AR/Mixed Reality space & already has huge user base of millions of users, with proven HMDs & vast software resources…

[jmig 100]

I may soon be trying the Meta 3. My HP G2 just quit working. I tried it on another computer, nothing. I have ordered a new cable from Amazon. If the new cable doesn't work, I will send it back and start looking for a new headset. I have reinstalled TrackIR for the duration. It just isn't the same as VR.

[TheFamilyMan 280]

I've never updated my Win10 sim computer to Win11.  A few months ago I replaced my ancient laptop with a new Win11 one and it's got me thinking that it's time that my sim computer gets updated.  Reading about how you can control when the feature updates are applied, and seeing/doing it myself for that laptop has given me a green light for my sim computer update.  Even though the evil 24H2 Win11 WMR killer update is just around the corner, I feel that "I'm in control here" and that I can delay its application until the Nov. 2026 drop dead date announced by MS, thus giving my beloved G2 another year of service beyond Win 10 (if it'll stay working that long).  The question is:  Am I fooling myself here, as in to trust that MS won't do something sneaky?  I remember the Win10 rollout; I had to kill boots more once that automatically were starting a Win10 install.  Thoughts on this?

Edited February 19 by TheFamilyMan

[HiFlyer 9,363]

If one cares about this enough, this petition may or may not be a realistic avenue to affect the situation.... Petition Microsoft to Make The Windows Mixed Reality VR Platform Open Source

[turbomax 3,287]

if they had wanted to, they would have done that already. I don't expect any success with that. unfortunately.