18 hours ago, Balint Szarka said:

Oh wow 🤩 that is a great improvement. Thank you so much 😃

When are you expecting this new patch to go live?

Just implemented and undergoing some tests to check it doesn't break anything.

Patch should be available by tomorrow evening.

4 hours ago, FS++ said:

Just implemented and undergoing some tests to check it doesn't break anything.

Patch should be available by tomorrow evening.

Aw lovely. Thank you again ☺️

On 9/10/2024 at 7:14 PM, Balint Szarka said:

Aw lovely. Thank you again ☺️

For some reason cannot edit the patches thread. The new patch has been uploaded. Just ignore the version. It's now V3.1.0.0

Link your "below the line" custom command to "resume checklist", not a specific checklist.

On 9/11/2024 at 8:20 PM, FS++ said:

For some reason cannot edit the patches thread. The new patch has been uploaded. Just ignore the version. It's now V3.1.0.0

Link your "below the line" custom command to "resume checklist", not a specific checklist.

Hey, so I wanted to try the new feature you implemented but it seems that the FO just reads out the line and continues onto the below the line items instead of holding the checklist.

Just to confirm: would this line be okay?

" [ ] before start checklist to the line    --    complete //2 "

I have changed my "below the line" script to include resume checklist when I say below the line.

The problem obviously is that the FO just reads out before start checklist to the line complete and carries on to the rest of them without holding the checklist. Am I doing something wrong?

42 minutes ago, Balint Szarka said:

Hey, so I wanted to try the new feature you implemented but it seems that the FO just reads out the line and continues onto the below the line items instead of holding the checklist.

Just to confirm: would this line be okay?

" [ ] before start checklist to the line    --    complete //2 "

I have changed my "below the line" script to include resume checklist when I say below the line.

The problem obviously is that the FO just reads out before start checklist to the line complete and carries on to the rest of them without holding the checklist. Am I doing something wrong?

[ ] Before start checklist to the line -- complete //2

The line above should do it, without the quotes.

I assume you are editing your custom checklist in Windows Notepad only and not in some fancy editor.

 

46 minutes ago, FS++ said:

[ ] Before start checklist to the line -- complete //2

The line above should do it, without the quotes.

I assume you are editing your custom checklist in Windows Notepad only and not in some fancy editor.

 

I am editing it in Notepad++.
[ ] Before start checklist to the line -- complete //2  —> without the quotes. However it doesn’t seem to work.

1 hour ago, Balint Szarka said:

I am editing it in Notepad++.
[ ] Before start checklist to the line -- complete //2  —> without the quotes. However it doesn’t seem to work.

It's working on a typical English Windows setup.

I wonder whether it's one of those scenarios where string comparison yields different results because of system locale.

If your Windows edition isn't originally in English and you forced it to that language via regional settings, try resetting to original region.

I know it's not possible to perform speech training unless you switch to "United States" as your region, but that's only for speech training.

In case you downloaded many patches, double-check "mce.exe" version is V3.1.0.0

 

22 hours ago, Balint Szarka said:

I am editing it in Notepad++.
[ ] Before start checklist to the line -- complete //2  —> without the quotes. However it doesn’t seem to work.

Just in case you're puzzled...

Your "below the line" command when spoken outside the checklist reading session will appear as if it doesn't work. This is normal because it is tied to "resume checklist" a command that is only active when going through checklist.

When FO sees the line with "to the line" he sends MCE a simulated speech command "pause checklist".

It will only work if you haven't muted MCE with Numlock or Joystick button (speech engine needs to recognise the "pause checklist" command). Maybe that's what you're doing once he gets to the line.

 

10 hours ago, FS++ said:

Just in case you're puzzled...

Your "below the line" command when spoken outside the checklist reading session will appear as if it doesn't work. This is normal because it is tied to "resume checklist" a command that is only active when going through checklist.

When FO sees the line with "to the line" he sends MCE a simulated speech command "pause checklist".

It will only work if you haven't muted MCE with Numlock or Joystick button (speech engine needs to recognise the "pause checklist" command). Maybe that's what you're doing once he gets to the line.

 

I will try and check it again but the last time I tried it I am sure I didn’t mute MCE in anyway.
So just to be sure: the main thing that is trigger to pause the checklist is “to the line”. So if one writes Before start checklist to the line - the “to the line” part will be recognised by MCE which then sends a voice command to pause the checklist?

Also just to clarify further so I can eliminate any mistakes I could have made:
- As an example can the user write in the checklist without any extra lines left out between the checklist item and the “before start checklist to the line ” and start with the below the line without leaving a gap? Or does one need to leave space, gaps, line or anything just like between different checklist right now?

whatever-checklist-item -- response
before start checklist to the line -- complete //2
whatever-checklist-item  -- response

12 hours ago, Balint Szarka said:

I will try and check it again but the last time I tried it I am sure I didn’t mute MCE in anyway.
So just to be sure: the main thing that is trigger to pause the checklist is “to the line”. So if one writes Before start checklist to the line - the “to the line” part will be recognised by MCE which then sends a voice command to pause the checklist?

Also just to clarify further so I can eliminate any mistakes I could have made:
- As an example can the user write in the checklist without any extra lines left out between the checklist item and the “before start checklist to the line ” and start with the below the line without leaving a gap? Or does one need to leave space, gaps, line or anything just like between different checklist right now?

whatever-checklist-item -- response
before start checklist to the line -- complete //2
whatever-checklist-item  -- response

Correct, no need for a gap.

The line just needs to have the [ ] prefix so it can be seen as a checklist item. Could even have 

any_text to the line any_text -- complete //2

If the FO doesn't stop at that line, the only explanation is that somehow the simulated speech command "pause checklist" didn't get to the speech engine. 

Edited: Removed wrong info

 

Edited September 15, 20241 yr by FS++

On 9/2/2024 at 5:35 PM, RALF9636 said:

I second that suggestion. I wished to have such an option for a long time, in particular for flying the Airbus.

 

Maybe an easier way to - at least to some extent - implement that feature would be that MCE accepts "... checklist to the line / ... checklist below the line" as a trigger to start the checklist (instead of just "... to the line checklist") and respectively finishes the checklist with "...checklist completed to the line" (instead of "... checklist to the line completed").

So we could set up and then call for a "before takeoff checklist to the line" and a "before takeoff checklist below the line".

 

Still not exactly corresponding to the procedure explained by @Balint Szarka but already a lot better than having to call for "before takeoff to the line checklist" and finishing with "before takeoff to the line checklist completed."

From my layman's perspective that might be easier to implement than adding a new functionality to the checklists algorithm.

 

Ralf, did you have a go at the latest patch intended for this? Thanks

 

On 9/15/2024 at 3:42 AM, Balint Szarka said:

I will try and check it again but the last time I tried it I am sure I didn’t mute MCE in anyway.
So just to be sure: the main thing that is trigger to pause the checklist is “to the line”. So if one writes Before start checklist to the line - the “to the line” part will be recognised by MCE which then sends a voice command to pause the checklist?

Also just to clarify further so I can eliminate any mistakes I could have made:
- As an example can the user write in the checklist without any extra lines left out between the checklist item and the “before start checklist to the line ” and start with the below the line without leaving a gap? Or does one need to leave space, gaps, line or anything just like between different checklist right now?

whatever-checklist-item -- response
before start checklist to the line -- complete //2
whatever-checklist-item  -- response

My bad.

 

It appears I forgot to include a file that changed recently in the patch.

Re-download it and replace the 3 files in \CandC\ folder

 

6 hours ago, FS++ said:

Ralf, did you have a go at the latest patch intended for this? Thanks

 

Haven't had the chance yet. I will report back.

On 9/16/2024 at 10:25 AM, FS++ said:

Ralf, did you have a go at the latest patch intended for this? Thanks

 

I have the same issue as reported by @Balint Szarka. MCE just keeps on going through the checklist after the "to the line -- completed" line, without stopping.

I downloaded and installed the latest patch, mce.exe 3.1.0.0.

I edit the Checklist in the Windows Editor.

Checklist looks like this:

BEFORE START

[ ]Cockpit Preparation    --    Completed
[ ]Signs        --    On and auto
[ ]A D I R S        --    Nav
[ ]Fuel Quantity    --    _ Balanced
[ ]Baro Reference    --    _ Feet
[ ]Before Start to the line --  complete //2
[ ]Windows and Doors    --    Closed and armed
[ ]Beacon        --    On
[ ]Thrust Levers    --    Idle
[ ]Parking Brake    --    Set

___________________________________________

 

13 hours ago, RALF9636 said:

I have the same issue as reported by @Balint Szarka. MCE just keeps on going through the checklist after the "to the line -- completed" line, without stopping.

I downloaded and installed the latest patch, mce.exe 3.1.0.0.

I edit the Checklist in the Windows Editor.

Checklist looks like this:

BEFORE START

[ ]Cockpit Preparation    --    Completed
[ ]Signs        --    On and auto
[ ]A D I R S        --    Nav
[ ]Fuel Quantity    --    _ Balanced
[ ]Baro Reference    --    _ Feet
[ ]Before Start to the line --  complete //2
[ ]Windows and Doors    --    Closed and armed
[ ]Beacon        --    On
[ ]Thrust Levers    --    Idle
[ ]Parking Brake    --    Set

___________________________________________

 

Not sure when you downloaded the patch, as you can see in my last reply to Balint, had to re-upload the patch because of a missing file. Make sure you replace the 3 files in \CandC\ folder, then check again. Thanks