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Grounded Never to fly microsoft FSX again.

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I really get a kick over posts like this.FSX has been much more stable (for me) than FS9 ever was.Have fun.

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Ruh-Roh. Now I need help too.I've been using FSX from the demo, to the initial release, to SP1, then to Acceleration with SP2. And have addons like FEX, UTX, other stuff, good gravy tons and tons of scenery and aircraft and extras like TrackIR and whatnot.Not sure what to think now because my system has not had errors of any kind, really, or CTD's, no warnings, lockups or blue screens. Wait - one repeatable CTD traced to an older FS9 scenery that doesn't work in SP2. Otherwise, just the expected occasional prop or window texture issues with some imported FS9 planes. I'm not overclocking anything right now but did temporarily O/C my E6750 to around 3.0Ghz for a time. Have the same vid card and same amount of memory too.To add to the fun I even allow my whole family to use it so there's no telling how it's abused when I'm not around. Although Gramma plays solitaire and doesn't flight sim much. Same for wifey. Running Xp and religously keep it up to date with Windows updates and drivers and AV scans and defrags and all your basic periodic maintenance stuff. It doesn't bode well that regardless, the time must be short for the digital Grim Reaper to appear and point a ghastly, crooked bony finger at my system too, signaling that the End of Days is near...if only some type of pattern could be detected to the madness....I'm sorry you are having this problem....

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Hi bkeske.Thank you for the have fun, I certainly will, now my Flight simulator game as gone.As you say it is more stable than FS9 but no way can you say it is stable, and be telling the truth.By all means stick by the game you love to play, and so did I. But I have tested FSX and found it wanting in many ways the code allows many other programs to interfere with it. OH I am wasting my time but the people that are in the know, will know what I am talking about.Yes my friend, I am going to start enjoying working and playing on my PC and not trying to sort out the inefficiencies in FSX I will leave that to you.All the best Rex.

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>But I have tested FSX and found it wanting in many ways the>code allows many other programs to interfere with it. Honestly I am curious, how do you test the code to see this, do you have access to the source code from Microsoft so you can perform a proper code review, or what actually is involved?

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Hi stoopyI came on AVSIM to say best of look to a lot of people I have had the pleasure to have discussed Flight simulator with and ignored the clever know all's, How I find out what is wrong With FSX I discuss the subject with very clever people and test the results of the conversations on my PC, May I suggest you read my first post, then go to UK 2000 scenery and check out the post for hanger doors and see what one of the worlds leading airport makers as to say.Once again I will say farewell to you all.Enjoy your flying Rex.LAST POST (Bugle plays)

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I ran FS9 from the day it was released until about a month ago on the same PC, one single install and, by the time I finally upgraded last month, about a 6 gig load-up of add-ons and frankly, I don't even know what you're talking about regarding "event viewer." I can (and I mean this literally) count on one hand the number of times the sim crashed to desktop on me in a nearly four year period of time. If you are careful about how you install things and if you do a good job of maintaining your machine the sim is remarkably stable. It'll be a cold day in H-E-dbl-hockeysticks before I re-install an OS to get a sim or game running stable. Basically what I'm saying is if you have had the experience you say you've had with FS9 and now FSX, you are doing something wrong. It's that simple...

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>I really get a kick over posts like this.>>FSX has been much more stable (for me) than FS9 ever was.>>Have fun.If it bothers you so don't respond.To the OP. FSX is what it is. Hopefully the new incarnation of FS will give us a newly coded engine and we can start fresh.On my quad core system I've done numerous changes and then bought the 8800GT 512 mb OC card but the DX10 preview was never stable and that was going through numerous drivers. I've since not gone back to the preview but I've had to uninstall UTX because the overhead was just too much for my 3 gig quad core system to handle. Oh well. I deleted FS9 completely though because I want to move forward as painful as that moving forward has been.

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Hi too, Rex!Well, OK I see your process and thanks. Not that it's anything special, but personally I have a development background going back to 1979 although I'm no longer doing active coding for the multiple real-time systems my group works on, unfortunately after so much time in that saddle they put me in a place where I manage the group and projects, and oversee the high-level design instead. I just mention it in passing because the (possibly dogmatic) industry-standard view is that usually it's more credible to use things like debug tools, design review processes, and be intimately familiar with the systems, development process and actual code itself in order to generalize that there are inherent problems with said 'code'. However, one must always stay abreast of new techniques and talking to clever people in the outside world instead could be a subsitute for the overall software development life cycle process that could give us the competitive edge we've been looking for. And upper management will love the idea that it's free consulting, which could save a lot of time, effort and budget...so I appreciate the tip. Best of luck with your endeavors!

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>If it bothers you so don't respond.Did I say it bothered me?I said I 'get a kick' out of such posts.But again...I'm been using FS since FS5.0 days, and I was actually serious, FSX may be the most stable of all of them, and actually the best performer across the board. I have many many add-ons, and I do not see/have the issue with them as the original poster has stated. So, to say it is only stable sans add-ons is really not correct.I just wanted to set the record straight for those who may be lurking in this forum and continue to make the decision not to 'get their toes wet' in regards to FSX.Heck....I say, jump on it, the waters fine.

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Good Luck.I have to concure, FSX is suckzers. >Period. I too have mostly moved on (or back to FS9).yet at the same time FSX has good stuff, but in the end, after having convinced freinds to throw mucho money into new rigs...the disapointment is just too much, very inconsistant performance, very inconsistant exicution by Aces (crapy wheather, textures bla bla bla. FSX is the bigest disapointment of all time. Dont bother tryin to flame either, there is nothing to say. Been right here at Avsim since FS5 (been siming since FSIII).Been an FS fan and designer of AC. Panels and huge Photo scnenry projects and have laid out sooo much of other peoples money in me owm projects...to be soo very disapointed DX10 Ggggg Thanks Aces.PT, please dont bother, Dont really give a Rodents bullocks about when u inherited the wind etc. MS advertized it, we paid for it, it sucks.

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>>If it bothers you so don't respond.>>Did I say it bothered me?>>I said I 'get a kick' out of such posts.>>But again...I'm been using FS since FS5.0 days, and I was>actually serious, FSX may be the most stable of all of them,>and actually the best performer across the board. I have many>many add-ons, and I do not see/have the issue with them as the>original poster has stated. So, to say it is only stable sans>add-ons is really not correct.>>I just wanted to set the record straight for those who may be>lurking in this forum and continue to make the decision not to>'get their toes wet' in regards to FSX.>>Heck....I say, jump on it, the waters fine.>U Are Joking, Your system ok, fine. I build high end systems, have since 486DX2 and 2mb ATI Vesa Bus Diamond Vipers where the rage, SLI +++ $$$, Have refunded so many freinds. FSX is pathetic, on too many variations of hardware period. BSD, dont need to happen to say FSX is brokered, stutter, FPS that just sink for no reason...poping scenery, broken menus. on soo many configs I have given up, lost part of small business (ok, hobby that cost as much) Please go get an eye test.

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correction: it sucks, for YOU. I have a medium-high end system and FSX runs great on my system with all my addons, and I see vast improvements over FS9. Also, I have never experienced any problems period except for the occasional stutter and maybe two or three CTDs.I'm sorry FSX isn't working for you, but rest assured: FS11 will be much better. Don't worry.

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I'd love to decipher this and make some sense, but really, it just comes down to this: You said you moved back to FS9, then you're in the wrong forum. This one is for people who fly on FSX.

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Gee thanks for letting us all know that FSX totally screws up your PC. NOT !!!CraigLian Li PC 65B CaseCorsair HX Series CMPSU-620HX 620W Power SupplyPlextor PX-810SA/SW-BL DVD/CDGiagabyte GA-P35-DS3RCrucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)Arctic Freezer 7 ProIntel E6850 Core 2 Duo 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache @ 3.6 GHzEVGA 7950GT KO 512mb 169.21_forceware whqlSeagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATASeagate Barracuda 7200.10 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATAWinXP Pro SP2

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Realy? So you like the whether effects in FSX? Hows the Snow and Rain? Improved over Fs9? Oh, sorry I mean FS5.1 You like the scorched earth desert textures most every season except summer as a result of some Global Warming effect via MS? You like the Alpha Terrain texture mask that wher done at what 16 meter per pix while we have 1 meter terrain textures?Hey, have you invested in quad core plus sli + vista and done DX10? Wow! Hey, Hva eyou built more than 12 sytems at >6K each Oops, scratch that three cancled just on account of all the great feedback of all the successes, add 20 or so systems still in the high end range, friends, long time FSrs, ALL disapointed. Some living with it, sure.Do you know what good FS experiance is like? Do you know what kind of Aniso an ATI cardcan provide over a NV (Still) but then Aces messed it up with the in game settings that no other games use that mess with the drivers? How many driver engineers at both AMD and NV hate FS but wont admit it publicly??Hmmm why would that be? FSX was aborted thats why. Plain and simple then they hired pr to spin and fix, but hey go ahead, enjoy the wheather, and the terrain.

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Excuse me mr. Cipher High on yer horses sadle, freakin Punk Kid. (Old Phart gets Dander up and stubles back with some old Boxing stance)Please dont try to throw yer weight (I'll call Uncy Tom). I know FS inside and out. Been dealing with this, have read every line. Worked at fairly high levels. Sit back and think before you try to insult, please. Think back to all the versions and how hard all of us tried to get MS to listen. you really think FSx is what we Paid for? Was led to hope it would be? You think the DX10 Preview tease + invested Vista soft/hardware was pleaseant for Vendors? folks who build and have to do customer service for folks like you and me and everyone on this forum? Does it work? Ummm sometimes its ok? But 5 or six out of ten is not good. And thats the final tally, it usualy starts out ten out of ten bad, and then you start reloading all drivers and softawrae and helping people adjust all settings and going thru long disccusions of why it will have to get better etc. Its been a bad joke.Do you really think have Ag pop up out of knowe where as a a new "feature" as "new" programing is an improvement?Lets see, we got new DX10 Cockpit Shadows, and new Wave caps, wow! In the maen time, the snow could not be worse, the rain? the odd textures, random behavior? If you think yes then you should just enjoy yer sim. Do you like 6 bit LCD screens too?

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>Good Luck.>>I have to concure, FSX is suckzers. >Period. I too have mostly>moved on (or back to FS9).>>yet at the same time FSX has good stuff, but in the end, after>having convinced freinds to throw mucho money into new>rigs...the disapointment is just too much, very inconsistant>performance, very inconsistant exicution by Aces (crapy>wheather, textures bla bla bla. >>FSX is the bigest disapointment of all time. Dont bother tryin>to flame either, there is nothing to say. Been right here at>Avsim since FS5 (been siming since FSIII).>>Been an FS fan and designer of AC. Panels and huge Photo>scnenry projects and have laid out sooo much of other peoples>money in me owm projects...to be soo very disapointed DX10>Ggggg Thanks Aces.>>PT, please dont bother, Dont really give a Rodents bullocks>about when u inherited the wind etc. MS advertized it, we paid>for it, it sucks.Wow, makes me want to send this thing back. I have a new unopened copy of FSX and could still return it for a restocking fee. I guessed it would be worth the perf hit but now I really question this reading all this stuff. I have a fast machine now so FS9 runs superbly no matter what the situation or addon, so perhaps maybe I will just pick up some upgraded scenery and call it good.QX9650 @ 4.0GHz/1.285 vCore / 8GB PC-800 Mushkin (cheap!) / evga 8800GT @ 660Mhz / 2xSATA 2 drives /

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Realy? So you like the whether effects in FSX? Hows the Snow and Rain? Improved over Fs9? Oh, sorry I mean FS5.1You like the scorched earth desert textures most every season except summer as a result of some Global Warming effect via MS? It all depends on what you are comparing!FS9 default scenery vs FSX default scenery = Winner FSXFS9 Addon (GE, UTUSA, FSGenesis or the like Vs FSX Default = Winner FS9FS9 Addon (GE, UTUSA, FsGenesis...) Vs FSX Addon (GEX, UTUSAX, FsGenesis)= Winner No Contest FSX!When all is said and done though, it's a personal choice! So if you like FS9 better, so be it.The main problem with FSX is one of perception, which is Aces fault. FSX was built with future hardware in mind, as was FS9 and all other versions before it. This is a good thing, it makes it possible to make the sim more detailed as your hardware advances, and extends the life of the sim. The problem is they included these settings in the GUI. So people being what they are, naturally want to run it full bore with all sliders and options maxed. When they find it's a slide show they immediately poo poo it, without given it a chance. and it immediately gets a bad reputation that really is undeserved, especially in the general gaming community. What they should have done was limit the GUI detail settings, to the capabilities of the current hardware at time of release. Which would still be much more detailed than FS9. Options for the future should have been adjustable via the fsx.cfg file. They made significant improvements to performance with SP1, (Same as they did when SP1 was released for FS9) which is what I use mostly. I do think they took a step or 2 backwards with SP2, to sacrifice backward compatibility midstream for the DX10 preview, which in my view, doesn't add any extra value to FSX. Especially since there is no further development FSX. That as I said before, should have been something that waited til FSXI!

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Why should it depend on what we are comparing? If its not a step up, leave it alone, right? You fly in just sunny weather or what? Just summer? Even FUII/III has better wheather. You should know. thats been yer sim right Tom?You also do not seem to grasp all the problems that those of us who build systems that are mainly geared at the high end. I have built Custom AGP systems that can rune FSX at "full bore" doesn't mean squat! Wake up Tom....Sorry but Pleazzz you guys, We all know there are likeable things etc. But please dont pretend. The sim on a whole got butchered in many respects, Auto Gen now POps into view...PLease!. It plainly is pathetic in many areas especialy considering the HARDWARE. Still doesn't take full advantage of MS developed DX9...from how long ago? DX10?...yawn

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OK DigitalNoise, you don't like FSX, that's clear enough but this discussion is turning into a sterile and useless monologue.Please stop bashing, this really doesn't help and becomes to be very boring.Last warning.

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It's clear you're disgusted with FSX, some people share your disgust, but most in this forum don't. You've said your peace... but now you're beginning to sound like your name.. DigitalNoise! FS9 forum is back the other way. Thanks for stopping by.

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>Hi bkeske.>Thank you for the have fun, I certainly will, now my Flight>simulator game as gone.>As you say it is more stable than FS9 but no way can you say>it is stable, and be telling the truth.>By all means stick by the game you love to play, and so did I.>But I have tested FSX and found it wanting in many ways the>code allows many other programs to interfere with it. OH I am>wasting my time but the people that are in the know, will know>what I am talking about.>Yes my friend, I am going to start enjoying working and>playing on my PC and not trying to sort out the inefficiencies>in FSX I will leave that to you.>All the best >Rex.Wow, thats really a shame. I guess having being involved with MSFS since the mid 80's on a PCXT, let me say that running FSX today is no problems at all in comparison to some of the issues we had to deal with in those days.For me FSX is a dream when run on appropriate hardware with appropriate drivers and freshly installed with all the available service packs.I do however wish you all the best with whatever you do in place of FSX time.Cheers,Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern AustraliaIntel Core 2 Duo E6700ASUS P5N32-E SLI Deluxe Motherboard4GB Corsair VS DDR2 667Mhz RAMInno3D 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 590MHz VideoASUS MW221u 21" Wide Screen LCD2 x 320Gb WD SATA DrivesCreative X-Fi Platinum Sound Lian Li PC-B20B Aluminium Black CaseMS Vista Ultimate OEMCH FlightSim Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USBCH Throttle Quadrant USBTrackIR 4 Pro and Track ClipMSFS FSX Deluxe Edition Full install at 1400x960x32

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Hi againIf you run FSX on a PC on its own, without Add ons, without the Internet, and without antispyware and virus programs You will get it to run fine most of the time.The problem I personally have found with FSX it can not protect itself from been interfered with by other programs and this is what the intermittent faults operators get. These are programs that check for updates, antivirus programs you think are disabled but are not, all these interfere with FSX whether you are flying on line or not, and are out of most peoples control. These also affect add ons that are installed into FSX. But this interference as a knock on effect, it can and does effect the programs that are effecting FSX and can damage files, and corrupt the registry thus giving the LOADPERF error most people see when operating FSX.Without FSX been installed I do not have these problems, I enjoyed the challenge Flight simulator gave me but not the problems that it brings with it.This is my opinion on the subject that I have tested over the past 12 months on my PC and I have been pointed by experienced people to do. Please do not ask what I have done to arrive at my decision I really have not got the time or AVSIM the space.If you can accept the faults of FSX then it is great to play or operateI have made my decision because after many months of trying I know that I can not improve it, so I have made the decision to remove FSX and I will never install it again.All the Best.Rex.

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I run FSX with ASX, AISmooth, I have used Radar Contact, and I just downloaded and tried VOXATC. Other programs I use is Gamecam for Videos.I also use FDC Live Cockpit. Addon scenery include GEX, UTUSAX, FSGenesis 10m mesh. Xgraphics. I run with a large set of WOAI traffic at 100% My addon aircaft include the PMDG 744X, LDS767, CS757. All with no interference, or CTD's. As for AV programs, your right they do cause problems in FSX, but that's also true in FS9, mostly stuttering. I use Norton and disable it when I sim. No problem. The key to getting decent performance in FSX, is Turn off Bloom, lens flare, and ground shadows (Aircraft shadows are ok!), and set water to 2xLow. Use supersampling AA not Multisampling.

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