48 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

One of the first things I did was to check my download speed, it was normal. 

No spiking, lag or dropouts?

1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said:

No spiking, lag or dropouts?

I got over 2600 hours in MS 2020. It never did this before, ever. This  isn't lag or dropouts, it is a poor server from Asobo.

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by Bobsk8

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I got over 2600 hours in MS 2020. It never did this before, ever. This  isn't lag or dropouts, it is a poor server from Asobo. 

Well poor server service is not a SURPRISE at all. The million dollar question is WHY. Just a random fault or something insidious like you suggest. I wouldn't be surprised if someone high up sent a memo down the line ordering it to be fixed, whatever it took, to lessen the embarrassment over this debacle.

I still call incompetence /poor management over the deliberate crippling of the most popular flight software for decades, probably ever. 

That is what it smells like

On my first flight today. Still seeing FPS about 20%-25% lower than usual, and the scenery still looks terrible. They have done something with the 2020 servers, that is for sure. I  guess I better get used to this, I guess it is one way to force users to switch to 2024. 

 

Someone just posted this on the FS Forum:

 

Looks like Azure servers have been impacted. Had connecting issues with 2020 yesterday, and I’m on fiber. My guess is they may be using resources from 2020 to patch issues with 2024.

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by Bobsk8

47 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

On my first flight today. Still seeing FPS about 20%-25% lower than usual, and the scenery still looks terrible. They have done something with the 2020 servers, that is for sure. I  guess I better get used to this, I guess it is one way to force users to switch to 2024. 

 

Someone just posted this on the FS Forum:

 

Looks like Azure servers have been impacted. Had connecting issues with 2020 yesterday, and I’m on fiber. My guess is they may be using resources from 2020 to patch issues with 2024.

Read a couple of posts on the FS forum, and it was suggested trying a VPN, so that I can get a server in Europe instead of the US, which has really good performance since 2024 was released.  Going to try that next. 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

On my first flight today. Still seeing FPS about 20%-25% lower than usual, and the scenery still looks terrible. They have done something with the 2020 servers, that is for sure. I  guess I better get used to this, I guess it is one way to force users to switch to 2024. 

 

Someone just posted this on the FS Forum:

 

Looks like Azure servers have been impacted. Had connecting issues with 2020 yesterday, and I’m on fiber. My guess is they may be using resources from 2020 to patch issues with 2024.

Weird, I am on the US servers with no issues at all.  Have you checked your recent windows updates and Nvidia driver updates?  On one of my OS's it appears Windows updated the driver on it's own whereas my other OS it did not... 

Until I hear from MSFS they are taking down MSFS2020 servers to accomodate 2024 I find it hard to believe.  It's a lot easier to spin up a new resource in the cloud than to start wiping 2020 from the servers and procuring the 2024 databases and caches that seem to be causing the issue.  

That's the great thing about the cloud, they don't have finite resources where they only have 20 physical servers and need to take some down to scale up others for resources.  I would also be very surprised if MS wasn't throwing Azure resources at them to try and help out.  

Could there be overall 2020 server degradation due to shared pipes into the MSFS server farms, yes and that is far more likely than re-allocating resources from one sim to another or robbing Peter to pay Paul as is being suggested.  Like there is some sort of FS24 conspiracy to ruin FS2020.  

18 hours ago, Aviator_2024 said:

If they did that, than their so called cloud based FS2024 is flawed. I hope it’s not a marketing move because they want everyone to switch to FS2024 just like Apple did to slow down old phones on purpose so people can switch to new model

Probably more of a panic response because you can't just magic new servers out of thin air, and since everyone was trying to get into 2024, 2020 usage was down so they figured...

 

It's not the greatest planning I've ever seen. You'd think they could come up with some sort of auto-switching demand-based scheme to move servers between the two titles as needed but that might not be possible. And if it's not, I would expect the number of 2020 servers to drop over time, especially after a few rounds of bugsmashing in 2024. I would not realistically expect them to maintain full capability with 2020 if only a fraction of the former load existed.

 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

On my first flight today. Still seeing FPS about 20%-25% lower than usual, and the scenery still looks terribly

I use the MSFS2020 Map Enhancement program and my textures are crisp as a hell and no stutter at all.

Sorry Bob, I remember this program has ruined you PC to the ground. 

I just switched servers in MSFS 2020 from USA to Northern Europe and immediately my FPS went way up. Going to take a flight and see what happens.

14 minutes ago, eslader said:

Probably more of a panic response because you can't just magic new servers out of thin air, and since everyone was trying to get into 2024, 2020 usage was down so they figured...

 

Um, do you know how long it takes to spin up servers in AWS or Azure?  Companies do it in a matter of minutes all the time LOL  It would take longer to deprecate the data on the 2020 servers and reload them with the 2024 relevant data than spinning up new instances.  

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Generally, spinning up a virtual machine on Azure can be considered slightly faster than on AWS, with most users reporting the ability to launch a basic instance in a few minutes on Azure, while AWS might take slightly longer depending on the configuration and region chosen; however, both platforms can spin up instances very quickly, with the exact time depending on the specific server specifications and chosen configuration

 

Edited November 23, 20241 yr by psolk

Well now I am really angry at Asobo, or MS, can't decide which at the moment. Apparently they either throttled down the USA severs for MS 2020, so they could get improvement in MS 2024, but what really infuriates me is they did this without any explanation anywhere.  I spent hours yesterday trying to figure out why all of a sudden, after they dropped 2024 in our laps, did my 2020 start running like garbage. FPS as low as the high teens, ground scenery looking like I was off line, etc. etc.  I was even thinking about trying a VPN, but before  I did that, I went into MSFS and switched the server from USA to Northern Europe. 

Instantly, my FPS jumped back to normal,, ground scenery looked great, and everything is the way it was two days ago. I am really disappointed in a company that behaves  this way, just trying to cover their own mistakes. Can't figure out  if this is their way to force people to shell out money for 2024, or to keep from giving people refunds.