2 hours ago, eslader said:

Speaking of not holding up in court (and why are you being ridiculous? This is a flight sim website, not a court of law) the marketing information says the stick "incorporates" the HEART system which has no pots. The key word here, which you were kind enough to show us in the picture you posted, is "incorporates." That means to make something a component of an entire assembly. My car incorporates wheels, but that does not mean it is made entirely of wheels.

Thrustmaster's marketing says nothing about using the HEART system exclusively for every axis. Put any non-zero number of hall effect sensors in there and the marketing information is technically true even if the rest of the sensors are pots. Which, incidentally, is what they're doing.

By the way, if you're going to throw legal terms around, you should probably know what they mean because facts without evidence are legally dubbed facts not in evidence, not hearsay which is something else entirely.

 

 

The no potentiomenters reference is coming direct from the manufacturer. I doubt they would want to be sued for misrepresenation. Here is the relevant section of the FTC:

FTC Act:

Section 5 of the FTC Act prohibits "unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce," which includes misleading representations. 

The FTC has a strong history of enforcing this provision against companies making false or misleading claims about their products or services. 

You relying on a random and anonymous internet poster that says it has potentiometers is weak and is characterized as hearsay evidence. Hence it is not admissable. You need the testimony of an expert witness.

 

Edited May 14, 20251 yr by alanw2005

On 5/1/2025 at 11:12 PM, mattloveday1987 said:

Hi All

I Currently using the TM A320 throttle but I’m finding it’s starting to wear out a bit… any suggestions for alternative's?

Thanks

Matt

Hi @mattloveday1987! If you want the full immersive experience, real Airbus pilots are using these:

https://throttletek.com/

Potentiometers or not. It's an electromechanical device after all. It will break for heaven's sake.

13 hours ago, alanw2005 said:

The no potentiomenters reference is coming direct from the manufacturer. I doubt they would want to be sued for misrepresenation. Here is the relevant section of the FTC:

Yes, and there are all sorts of ways to "tell the truth" in ways that make people believe the lie. You're a classic example. They snuck "incorporates" into the marketing language and you made the intended leap to assuming that every axis is a hall sensor. You've gotten so ensnared in that marketing trap that you've been making yourself look foolish for days on an internet forum that you, apparently, have confused with a courtroom. Don't feel too bad - the marketing industry has been studying how to get people to make wrong assumptions about products longer than either one of us has been alive. They have lots of experience in fooling people like you without ever stepping outside the technical bounds of the law.

Thrustmaster is not, strictly from a legal standpoint, being deceptive here. The stick really does incorporate "HEART" technology, which as they say has no pots. Legally, they're good to go and meanwhile they've tricked you into thinking every axis on the thing uses hall effect sensors.

 

BTW, here you go. Pictures and everything.

 

 

41 minutes ago, eslader said:

Yes, and there are all sorts of ways to "tell the truth" in ways that make people believe the lie. You're a classic example. They snuck "incorporates" into the marketing language and you made the intended leap to assuming that every axis is a hall sensor. You've gotten so ensnared in that marketing trap that you've been making yourself look foolish for days on an internet forum that you, apparently, have confused with a courtroom. Don't feel too bad - the marketing industry has been studying how to get people to make wrong assumptions about products longer than either one of us has been alive. They have lots of experience in fooling people like you without ever stepping outside the technical bounds of the law.

Thrustmaster is not, strictly from a legal standpoint, being deceptive here. The stick really does incorporate "HEART" technology, which as they say has no pots. Legally, they're good to go and meanwhile they've tricked you into thinking every axis on the thing uses hall effect sensors.

 

BTW, here you go. Pictures and everything.

 

 

Some random guy taking apart a Thrustmaster and we don't know the age of it, so not factual and it doesn't prove that current Thrustmaster Airbus Captains side sticks have potentiometers. 

I believe Thrustmasters assertations about this. All current literature says "No Potentiometers". Sorry but I beleive Thrustmasters current marketing literature, packaging and manuals. No where do they say that their equipment has a potentiometer. Quite the contrary actually.

The TM AB sidestick came out in 2020. Lots changes in 5 years with respect to technology.

Current marketing materials for the TM AB sidestick says no potentiometers.

Edited May 15, 20251 yr by alanw2005

Good lord you're stubborn. I give up. You're absolutely right (in your own mind).

 

 

4 hours ago, eslader said:

Good lord you're stubborn. I give up. You're absolutely right (in your own mind).

 

 

Hi Eslander. You are giving me articles from 2022. The guy is probably fixing an original 2020 model. I am basing my facts on 2025 Thrustmaster marketing and user manuals that clearly says "No Potentiometers".

Edited May 15, 20251 yr by alanw2005