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On Friday, I will be flying Frontier from KSTL to KDEN.Do any of you had any experience with/impressions of Frontier?I've never flown on an A319/A318 before so that will be a first for me.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Anyone ever flown on an A318/A319/A320?RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Hey,Yeah ive flown on several A320's. They are nice planes. One downside is, with the airline i was flying with at least, that the seats seem to have a bar that goes across the seat back near the bottom, ths can be a bit uncomfortable. Other than that it was fine, Airbus seem to make good planes.Dave

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If you've ever flown on a 737 before, you might notice that the fuselage is wider (although still 3+3 seating in Y). Much more wing movement too, since the wings are made of carbon composites (to a greater degree than the 73's- at least the -3,-4,-5 models), and also the use of FBW for the aelerons (no control wires to worry about with wing flex).Bruce.

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>If you've ever flown on a 737 before, you might notice that>the fuselage is wider (although still 3+3 seating in Y). Much>more wing movement too, since the wings are made of carbon>composites (to a greater degree than the 73's- at least the>-3,-4,-5 models), and also the use of FBW for the aelerons (no>control wires to worry about with wing flex).>>Bruce.>>I have flown on 737's before. Thanks for the comparative info. I also understand that A318/19/20 have an interesting engine sound. I will listen for it.Incidentally, my friend works right next to Jeffco airport and gets to watch aircraft take off and land. Must be nice I said to him.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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I have flown Frontier many times as it is a great airline to fly. The jets are comfortable and the service is superb! As i am from the Denver Area, welcome to Denver!!! :-)You will most likely be flying on an A319 as this is what Frontier is switching to exclusively. They have a few A318's left, though.

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Frontier is very nice. The width is about the same as other airlines, but you generally get a couple more inches of legroom than others. The DirectTV for $5 is pretty cool too.They fly 4 flights from STL-DEN on Friday. The 6:15, 10:35, and 7:40 flights are on a A319 and the 2:05 flight is a A318. They are pretty much the same except a few more rows on the A319.

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>They fly 4 flights from STL-DEN on Friday. The 6:15, 10:35,>and 7:40 flights are on a A319 and the 2:05 flight is a A318.>They are pretty much the same except a few more rows on the>A319.>I'll be on the 10:35 am flight. And actually it's not THIS friday it's next friday, July 6. I was mistaken on the date when I posted the other day. I'd track it on FlightAware if I wasn't on it. :)Looks like I'll be on an A319. Will be interesting to see what's on the tail art.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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And don't forget that if you end up on one of the A318's, you may brag you "were riding the short bus" ;-)Sorry . . . I couldn't resist. The A318 is Airbus Industrie's shortest bus.

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>I have flown Frontier many times as it is a great airline to>fly. The jets are comfortable and the service is superb! As>i am from the Denver Area, welcome to Denver!!! :-)>Been out there many many times now. I was last out there in March, but I drove then--all the way across Kansas, which I find fun. But flying is better.>You will most likely be flying on an A319 as this is what>Frontier is switching to exclusively. They have a few A318's>left, though.Why are they selling the A318's? Are they needing more seats on their flights I guess? Those A318's are pretty new aircraft, I wonder who will buy them. Maybe Horizon Air, Frontier's affiliate, will start using them alonside their CRJ's.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>>>You will most likely be flying on an A319 as this is what>>Frontier is switching to exclusively. They have a few>A318's>>left, though.>>Why are they selling the A318's? Are they needing more seats>on their flights I guess? Those A318's are pretty new>aircraft, I wonder who will buy them. Maybe Horizon Air,>Frontier's affiliate, will start using them alonside their>CRJ's.>Consistancy. Entirely. They simply one one solid aircraft type so that all of their pilots are fluent in flying a particular type of aircraft. It is the same reason as the airline I work for, ExpressJet, uses exclusively the ERJ 145LR for Continental Express and now the XR for all of their independant operations. The only diff between the LR and XR is fuel range. So any ExpressJet pilot can hop onto any route as needed and not have to worry about type rating.Frontier may very well keep the A318's. I have not heard that they are selling them. Just that all future purchases will be the A319. They have already retired all of the Boeings they had and sold them off to have an entirely Airbus fleet. I believe Frontier is the only U.S. Domestic airline to do so. Not sure on that fact, though.

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I jumped the gun last week, my flight is THIS friday (tomorrow). :)I will post back here about what equipment (A319 or A318) and how it all went. As always I will be doing some plane spotting the whole time. Since it's the 10:35 am flight from KSTL-->KDEN it is probably an A319.I wonder how hard it would be to convince the flight crew to let me sit in the jumpseat during cruise? :) Probably a snowball's chance in h*ll.Would be nice to see a 'bus cockpit in action though.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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they most def won't let you sit up there as its actually against the regs (i think its against the regs, don't know the FAR) but when you board ask an FA if she/he can ask the captain if you could have a quick look at the plane, and ask a few questions. They let me whnever I go up.

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Yup it was the A319 according to flightaware.com!FYI Frontier has 9 delivered A318's with 11 in operation, (Must have gotten 2 from another airline) 19 delivered A319's with 49 in operation, and they have 10 A320's on order from Airbus!! Source Airbus.Hope you had a good flight!!

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Oh wow they are finally getting some 20's? Schweet!

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>>Consistancy. Entirely. They simply one one solid aircraft>type so that all of their pilots are fluent in flying a>particular type of aircraft. In the case of Frontier, though, the A318 and A319 have the same type rating...identical cockpits, etc.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>Oh wow they are finally getting some 20's? Schweet!actually -- just read the release from Frontier. Looks like the are going to expand to having Bombardier Q400's as well . . . :-)

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Yes both flights were good. Very light chop no bad wx to avoid.I noticed some things about A318/19/20 ops I did not know about before.Frontier turned landing lights on when on the rwy threshold and not before. They turned them off at 10,000 ft asl.They had what looked like 1+F flaps setting for takeoff. That meant leading edge slats down a notch and rear flaps down a notch. I always thought those aircraft operated with clean wings on takeoff.I am not sure if we flew a high altitude jetway or not. It looked like great circle gps routing to me but I am not sure what typical airline ops are these days in this era of GPS.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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Nope. Airbuses, like most other airliners their size, take off with a min of 1+ flap setting. Actually typical is a 2 setting.Landing lights on threshhold is sometimes an option ESPECIALLY if aircraft are also waiting on the other side. That way one does not blind the other waiting flight's pilots.Most of the rutings in the US are now so smooth you barely notice any turns, so it is easy to not notice you have been following jetways the whole way :-) But it is required to be on jetways when atthose altitudes - unless on an emergency or military op.

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I forgot to add...we climbed to FL40 on the STL-->Den flight. (!)I did not expect us to cruise that high.On the way back, it was the staggered FL39. Both altitudes surprised me, as I expected 33,34,35,36 and not 40,000 feet.Another thing was, on the return flight (a night flight) the pilot had the wingtip strobes on (white flashers), and once we got up to cruise alt, I could swear I saw snow crystals each time the wingtip strobe turned on.However, after the flight, I asked the pilot if we flew thru snow and he said, "No, it was clear all the way". Maybe I saw high-altitude cirrus ice crystals? Is this common to see?RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>You can check the actual routing on flightaware.com! Here was>the actual routing for your flight to Denver! >>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT281/...1539Z/KSTL/KDENThat seems to be the correct flight number and time...however, we went over Grand Island, Nebraska. I saw it and the Platte River and the lake west of there. I know those landforms and we were over it. Plus the onboard display Frontier has at my seat showed us over Nebraska.I don't understand?Maybe the onboard was incorrect? Maybe flightaware is not accurate?We did approach from the north, but we CAME from the north, we did not come from the south as the FlightAware track shows. Interesting...There is no other river that this could have been. Not the Arkansas River.RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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>>You can check the actual routing on flightaware.com! Here>was>>the actual routing for your flight to Denver! >>>>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT281/...1539Z/KSTL/KDEN>>That seems to be the correct flight number and time...however,>we went over Grand Island, Nebraska. I saw it and the Platte>River and the lake west of there. I know those landforms and>we were over it. Plus the onboard display Frontier has at my>seat showed us over Nebraska.>>I don't understand?>>Maybe the onboard was incorrect? Maybe flightaware is not>accurate?>>We did approach from the north, but we CAME from the north, we>did not come from the south as the FlightAware track shows. >Interesting...>>There is no other river that this could have been. Not the>Arkansas River.>>>>Rhett>>AMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS>A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150>gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb>5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster PraetorianAt the bottom click "MORE PAST FLIGHTS" and then click July 6th .. . . it does indeed show you over Nebraska :-) Looks like you were routed diff due to Wx or traffic for that day.<>Here's the link to that day's flight:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT281/...1542Z/KSTL/KDEN:-)

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>I forgot to add...we climbed to FL40 on the STL-->Den flight.>(!)>>I did not expect us to cruise that high.>>On the way back, it was the staggered FL39. Both altitudes>surprised me, as I expected 33,34,35,36 and not 40,000 feet.>>Another thing was, on the return flight (a night flight) the>pilot had the wingtip strobes on (white flashers), and once we>got up to cruise alt, I could swear I saw snow crystals each>time the wingtip strobe turned on.>>However, after the flight, I asked the pilot if we flew thru>snow and he said, "No, it was clear all the way". Maybe I saw>high-altitude cirrus ice crystals? Is this common to see?> Very common for the AB to cruise that high :-)As for the ice crystals - snow need not be present for those to form. As long as some cirrus or any other cloud body is present you can form ice or crystalization.In flight school we learned tha ice can form ANYtime that visible moisture is present, and this includes clouds, as clouds are visible moisture.

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>>At the bottom click "MORE PAST FLIGHTS" and then click July>6th .. . . it does indeed show you over Nebraska :-) Looks>like you were routed diff due to Wx or traffic for that day.>Ah good to see I was not dreaming. I *knew* that was Grand Island Nebraska I saw off the starboard side. ;)I am going to have to find the jetway we used in FS, because it looks like we made a beeline from STL to a point in Nebraska just west of Grand Island.I assume that big turn at that point, was where the pilot entered the STAR. ??RhettAMD 3700+ (@2585 mhz), eVGA 7800GT 256 (Guru3D 93.71), ASUS A8N-E, PC Power 510 SLI, 2gb Corsair XMS 3-3-3-8 (1T), WD 150 gig 10000rpm Raptor, WD 250gig 7200rpm SATA2, Seagate 120gb 5400 rpm external HD, CoolerMaster Praetorian

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