Total Air Temperature

[Guest mattreamy]

Can someone explain to me just ##### "[1+ .2(M**2)] in normal air (degrees celsius * 256)" means? I am trying to use the TOTAL_AIR_TEMP token variable, and I have no clue what this means.Thanks in advanceMatt

[mgh 89]

Total Air Temperature (TAT) is the air temperature as measured by a temperature probe. It's greater than the static (ambient) air temperature because of the heating that occurs as air moving past the aircraft is slowed down. May I ask why you want to use TAT if you don't know what it is?

[Guest mattreamy]

Thanks for that next to useless response. As I posted in the panel design forum, one would suspect that I am working on a panel. Another clue would have been the mention of the token variable TOTAL_AIR_TEMP, which is described in the SDK as "[1+.2(M**20] in normal air (degrees celsius*256)." which means absolutely nothing to me. Sarcasm aside, what difference does it make WHY I want to use something. The fact is, I need a TAT display on a gauge I'm working on and I don't understand any of the displays I'm getting from the variable. Hence the question, what does the definition mean. Also, I KNOW what TAT is in reality, but I don't know how to calculate it. Is this clear enough for you? Now can I get some assistance, or is the entrance exam not over yet?

[mgh 89]

"I am trying to use the TOTAL_AIR_TEMP token variable, and I have no clue what this means."I gave you a working definition.The formula you have is self-evident. The TAT is calculated as 1 + 0.2*M**2. The value returned By FS is in deg Celsius multiplied by 256, so you have to divide the returned value by 256.Simple isn't it when you think about it instead of WTFing?

[n4gix 4,552]

>Can someone explain to me just ##### "[1+ .2(M**2)] in normal>air (degrees celsius * 256)" means? I am trying to use the>TOTAL_AIR_TEMP token variable, and I have no clue what this>means.Matt,This is a simplified formula for calculating TAT from known variables. Since it is done for you internally, all that you need to know to use the variable is to divide the reported value by 256 in order to obtain a useful number in degrees Celsius, e.g.,double tat = 0;tat = TOTAL_AIR_TEMPvar.var_value.n / 256 ;ortat = CELSIUS_TO_FARENHEIT( TOTAL_AIR_TEMPvar.var_value.n / 256 ) ;The formula is 1 plus (.2 times Mach squared)The actual formula is quite a bit more complex. See here for details:http://mtp.jpl.nasa.gov/notes/sat/sat.html

[Guest mattreamy]

Thanks, Bill, I was actually expecting you to have a useful response. I appreciate your assistance! I couldn't figure out what I was getting back from the Token Variable, and the description in the SDK didn't exactly explain that I was getting my return in DegC. The formula didn't make much sense to me at all, considering I've never learned to calculate TAT and I had no idea that's what I was looking at. So thanks a lot!As for you, mgh, I'm sure a card-carrying genius such as yourself, capable of providing answers that are technically correct but of use to no one, I'm sure you've never come across a problem that you bash your head up against the wall for a couple of hours before finally realizing you don't understand based on what information is available. I'm sure you've never had a "##### moment". Since this is the case, I suggest the next time you deign to respond to a "#####" question, you try to come down from that pedestal you've put yourself on and try to imagine having a "##### moment" where all the indicators just don't point to a clear conclusion. Instead of asking why someone wants an answer to a simple question, how about just answering the question. Use the Force for good; stay away from the Dark Side.

[mgh 89]

You said you hadn't a clue so I gave you a working definition of TAT.I politely asked by you wanted to use TAT if you hadn't a clue, to try to understand what you needed.In return I got childish abuse.

[n4gix 4,552]

>Thanks, Bill, I was actually expecting you to have a useful>response. I appreciate your assistance! I couldn't figure>out what I was getting back from the Token Variable, and the>description in the SDK didn't exactly explain that I was>getting my return in DegC. The formula didn't make much sense>to me at all, considering I've never learned to calculate TAT>and I had no idea that's what I was looking at. So thanks a>lot!Well, thank goodness for the "dual SDK descriptions," since the XML "Parameters.doc" simply says - get this! - "Self-explanatory" ... :-grr Of course to be fair, the XML token will actually convert the return "automatically" based on the "units" specified in the variable declaration, e.g., (A:TOTAL AIR TEMP, celsius) or (A:TOTAL AIR TEMP, farenheit)... ;)For certain variables I simply find it more convenient to take the extra steps needed using aircraft_varget to 'fetch' the XML token rather than mess around with converting the C variable!As for "##### moments," I've certainly had my share of those myself lately... For example, there's no logical reason why perfectly valid, and well-formed XML code should cause a CTD on a very few user's computer systems, but work as designed for 99 out of 100!Evidently there's something "missing" on those few user's systems that will choke and puke on the "Transparent" and "UseTransparency" attributes. The error returned during the CTD isn't very helpful either, since it is seemingly random: ntdll.dll, gdiplus.dll, panels.dll and systems.dll... :-hangEven in C, C++ and GDI+ there are some compilers that will choke and puke on syntactically correct code... It's very frustrating at times! :-bang

[n4gix 4,552]

>You said you hadn't a clue so I gave you a working definition>of TAT.He asked what the FORMULA meant. You did not answer the question asked...However, even so the response you received was a bit 'over the top' admittedly...

[mgh 89]

"I am trying to use the TOTAL_AIR_TEMP token variable, and I have no clue what this means."OK, so I misunderstood his question but I did at least try to help. In return I got abuse. At times I wonder why I bother?

[Guest mattreamy]

mgh,Okay, having re-read the original post, I can certainly understand why you'd misread the question. I'll admit my culpability in this misunderstanding and try to be less irritable in the future. It's extremely frustrating to sit here hour after hour and not get the results you need, much less understand some of them.

[mgh 89]

Ok. Matter closed :)

[Guest adameke777]

> there's no logical reason why perfectly valid, and well-formed > XML code should cause a CTD on a very few user's computer > systems, but work as designed for 99 out of 100!To quote someone: "... computers have minds of their own ..." :9 adam

[PebbleBeach 105]

On 8/31/2005 at 1:58 PM, mgh said:

You said you hadn't a clue so I gave you a working definition of TAT.I politely asked by you wanted to use TAT if you hadn't a clue, to try to understand what you needed.In return I got childish abuse.

Sad. Very sad.

 

[JRBarrett 2,578]

4 hours ago, PebbleBeach said:

Sad. Very sad.

 

You do realize that you have responded to a post that is 17 years old?