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RC4 ATC will not hold me, ever.Under Phane Information and Options I have checked "hold" which means nothing.What do you say about this. Is it just me, or is the problem universal?Thanks,zach

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You last waypoint must be a VOR on or very, very near to your destination airport. Try that and see if the hold works. I had this problem, too, until jd cleared that up for me. Your last waypoint cannot be an intersection near the approach end of the runway, for example.

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Ok, but will having a VOR on the airport *always* trigger a hold? I was under the impression that traffic/weather also played a role. Otherwise you would be in a position of getting a hold into some airports where such would never happen in reality. i.e. the VOR is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for a hold? Mike

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Hi Mike,On the general options page of RC there are 3 options for holding.If you select 'on' you should always be held if you have a suitable VOR in the flight plan.The options are described on p.113 of the manual.All the best,John

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John,I think RC4 is great but the hold feature does not work.In Adventure Text Display are many options (i.e. dev. for wx, dev. for turbulence, etc.). There is never an option to hold. There is never issued a directive from ATC to hold. There is never any holding, expect during a missed approach you are giver an option to hold. I think on the main RC4 page, under Radar Contact Options "General" tab selected, then under "Plane Information & Options", with holding selected "ON" ( you will always be held) does not work. That is to say ATC does not issue any holding during the flight.Chech this out and post.Thanks,zach

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holding does worksend me the .pln file you are using, and i'll tell you why you aren't being held, when you have holding set to "on"jd

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Is your last waypoint a VOR on, or very close, to your destination airport? If it is, and you have hold ON, then you should be held. I always am. It is not an option in the AdvDisp box. But, you can choose what kind of hold you want through AdvDisp.

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Rick,Thanks.So, you've been held. I'm glad to know the hold works.But I ain't never been held and I fly with the hold option "on" all the time.I will try to do some of the VOR stuff until RC4 holds me.By the way, I'm 62 years old. I hope to get held before I die.zach

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have you sent the .pln like i asked to jd@jdtllc.com?jd

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Holding can be intiated by ATC at any part of the flight when situations such as weather at the destination is causing delays. Why is the last VOR on the flight plan used in RC4? A couple of turns through the holding pattern could be an interesting diversion enroute. Like others, I have never been told to hold using RC4.RichR

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I've only been held 2 times. I didn't realize until this thread the connection with the endpoint VOR. Both times were into heavy traffic areas: Laguardia and Orlando. Both were claimed as "saturation traffic" and in one case resulted in 3 "loops" and in the other 2 "loops". I've probably done about close to 70 flights now with RC, so you can see that the percentage is low. However, I suspect if one put in the endpoint VOR in flights into large metro airports the hold rate would increase greatly. A bit artificial, I must admit. I'd rather the decision to hold or not be based soley on traffic density/weather minimums than an endpoint VOR, but can see that having such a VOR makes it esier to program the hold pattern from the RC perspective. Mike

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jd,Thanks for the email.I'm workin' on flying from KGSO to KRDU and to its VOR, located at the airport, lookin' for my first ATC hold ever.The first flight today ATC failed hold me.I will modify the flight plan and try again.My "alway hold option" is always "ON", and I'm still lookin' for that first hold.I can get a hold upon declaring a missed approach, but not yet for traffic or weather. I think the "alway hold selction" is just not what it says it is...As for forwarding of my .pln, well I've never done that...and as soon as I get a hold, I'll try to figure out how to sent the .pln to you. Or maybe I should sell it to others who want a hold.Well, I ain't been held since I bought RC4, though it is a great ATC program. I bought it many months ago and it might be many more months before ATC holds me, but rest assured my "alway hold option" is always "ON".zach

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Nothing new here- just to reiterate: I always include a VOR at the destination field in the flight plan. I do get holds when I select "ON"; the "weather/traffic hold" depends (just as in real life). I've departed for KORD (real life) and been told there are 45 minute delays, get to ORD, and no delays. I've also gotten delays when there was no fore-warning. So, to me, the RC "weather/traffic hold" is consistent with real life flying.

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the last checkpoint being a vor is necessary, so when you get your holding instructions, and it is so many miles, on a such a such radial, you need a vor to reference.the vor has to be close to the airport, otherwise the holding pattern may enter approach airspace, which we are trying to avoid.the manual describes holding probabilities, and requirements for being held, and it has been discussed here on the forum several timesjd

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if you send me the .pln file, i can tell you why you're not being held. i don't need you to fly or try to be hold. just send the .pln file to jd@jdtllc.comjd

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Try a flight to St. Louis where the "Cardinal" VOR is right on the field. Make that your last waypoint. You should get held about 40 miles away on an inbound radial.I've got you beat by 3 years -- I have been held -- so, I guess I can die happy. And, I got to see the Steelers win the Super Bowl again!

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Just in case you don't know, the FS9 flight plan file, something like KGSOKRDU.pln, is located in the "Flight Simulator Files" folder under "My Documents". Just attached it an e-mail to jd at the address he provided in a previous post.

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All you holding fans,This is the latest on RC4 holding.The hold option is selected in options.I am filing a short hope from KGSO to KRDU with RDU VOR my last fix. (I now know I must have a VOR on or near the destionation or very near it but be instructed to hold.)About 50 miles out I am getting traffic saturdation at KRDU "how do you want to hold, vectors or holding." I select "holding" but the question is immediately ask the second time followed by "vectors" and I get vectors, never holding.jd said you cannot have the co-pilot handle the radios and get holding, you would always get vectors.So now I know I must handle the radios. I file again. When ask for vectors or holding, I select holding but the controller ask the question immediately again followed by him giving me vectors every time.I am yet to get holding on RC4 other than on a missed approach.Now, am I the only one having this problem?zach

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I think so.Did you ever send jd your flight plan .pln file for him to look at?Do you have the latest versions of FSUIPC (3.53) and AdvDisp (2.14)? Or, maybe there is something amiss in the .ini files. Try deleting both FSUIPC.dll and .ini, and AdvDisp.dll and .ini and reinstall fresh copies.You could also rebuild your fs9.cfg file, but I'm not sure how that bears on RC4.

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just for grins, fly kgso to katl, with atl as your final vor. what happens?jd

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jd,Filed KGSO-KATL with final navigation fix ATL VOR.RC-4 holding option selected, as usual.80 miles out took control of radios.60 miles out received ATC option to hold or vectors due to KATL traffic.Selected holding. (IT WORKED!)Received holding instructions. (very professionally done) Entered the race track and held.Released from holding with vectors to ILS 27RGood approach. Good landing.Now, jd, what was the secret?ATL VOR seems to work for holding but many others do not?

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i suspect, your flight was such a short one, maybe even a terminal enroute (less than 80 miles) that your notification that you were being held, what did you want to do occurred at a specific point in the planthen i patiently wait for you to respond. but since you were so close to the next trigger to ask you what you wanted to do, you got another question about itthen another trigger, which was rc throwing up it's hands and giving you vectors, because you didn't get your repsonse in, in time.by making the plan a little longer, the question came at 70, 65, and 60 miles out.i suspect in your .pln, the questions came at 60, 60, and 60 which didn't give you a chancejd

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jd,Thanks for all your help.Just flew KCLT-KRDU, holding, RNAV approach and landing was all super slick.Thanks again,zach

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