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That bit is not implemented. It has no Economic System tied to it. It's just focused on Operation. For that, you are better off using an External Addon that will just do it way better anyway. About wishing you could see the code, you almost can. The developer has implemented a ton of Study Menus, where it's shown to you all the internal workings of the systems, all the data that is being processed. Be it GPS, IRS, Engines, Hydraulic, Pressurization, Environment, etc, etc. You have full access to that! You could spend a day looking and not see it all! I wasn't much of a fan of the BizJet Category as well, but this airplane really is not your typical BizJet. It's not simple, like you expect a BizJet to be. It has operation more complex than a Boeing or Airbus in many systems. This gives you so much to do, you never find yourself bored, I guarantee! X-Plane 11 can look Sterile, no doubt. I have a ton of Addons into mine that made it look way better, to be able to use it as much as I do. The good news is that most of them are Freeware. You can easily search the Web for Must Have Addons. On top of that, my recomendation would be for Enhanced Skyscape, which transforms the XP11 Clouds to a whole new level, for 15 Bucks. Completely worth it. I also use Ortho, if that's your thing, go for it. If not, there is a world of Scenery Packages for the region you want. Now, the Devs aren't going to like me saying that, because this sort of addon does bad thing to their work, but I also use ShadeX, which is a Shader "Hack" similar to ReShade. With the right Preset, that completely transforms the color pallete of XP11, from Bland to a much more colorful and deep visual. It's not like XP12, of course, but it makes it much better for me.

This website has all the official documentation for the plane. Although it's Challenger 605, pretty much identical. Plane Bombardier CHALLENGER-605 (smartcockpit.com)

Of course! The FBO is not what some are thinking. It's just an Immersion Feature, not a limiting and punishing thing to Sim Pilots who don't want to have a 100% Pilot Simulation. The entire Aircraft Simulation works just as it would in any other addon. In no way, you need the FBO to do anything you wouldn't be able through the Menus. You still have the same job as a pilot in command. The FBO is basically going to ask you how many Passengers goes onboard (which is you dont want, you can open the X-Plane Loading Manager and set Payload Manually), if you need Ground Services, Pushback, De-Icing, etc. And that's it. At the cockpit, you can still request all those, some via Smart Menus, all via standard menus from X-Plane. It's not going to limit in any way what you want to do with your plane 😉

The FBO is a very welcome addition, to bring immersion into the Simulation. But I understand the worry of some, if the FBO is tied to the Addon in a way that it becomes more of a Pilot Simulator than a Plane Simulator. Some don't like that idea. The good news is that, the FBO is NOT tired to the rest of the simulation in a way that you need to go through it's steps to fly. In fact, when the Sim Opens, you can press the Shortcut to Jump to the Pilot's Cockpit Seat, and there goes the FBO away. So, don't really worry about that. Also, the FBO in fact, is so fast to do what is needed, after you get used to it, it gets faster to do stuff through the FBO than going through Menus. But, if you want, the Menus are there for everything. You can call the Fuel Truck, Ground Assistance, Chocks, all of it. But I found way better, more immersive and even faster, to fill the page at the FBO, asking Number of Pax, what Ground Service is going to be needed, etc, and while you are making your Preflight Preparations, stuff just arrive for you, you never even touch a Menu. If you don't even want to look at the FBO, you have the option of going to the Non Persistance Mode, instead of Carrer Mode. The difference? Carrer Mode has the incredibly usefull AutoSave Feature. It not only saves your Flight every 20 Seconds, so you are CTD proof, if Saves Automatically at Takeoff and Landing, so you can do those again for whatever reason. And everything is persistence, so next time you open the Sim, the Aircraft will be just like you left it, same Fuel Quantity, everything. I don't see why someone wouldn't go for this mode really. Hope it helped 🙂 😅🤣 That is some good Medication! Give me some!! Just don't tell my Wife 😁

Hey all. Since the other topic has gone to 10 pages, and I couldnt find a post focusing about Post Release Impressions and Personal Review, I thought I might give my own here. And hope other users who also get it can give their own as well. The addon is one I have been looking forward for almost 2 years, since I first learned of the project. Since then, I have switched Sims multiple times, but as you will soon understand, it doesn't matter which sim you prefer, with this specific Addon. Let me first say, if you want a quick and easy addon for jump in, get some rough fuel numbers, upload a flightplan from the internet, and takeoff, this is not for you. Just make yourself this question. Would I be able to do "x" in the real plane? If the answer is no, then you can't do it in the HS CL650. And it starts at Fueling. To make clear, and this also got me by surprise, this addon requires proper procedure for refuel. And this is one example that I think makes the philosophy of the addon very clear. How does Fuel get into your airplane. The Fuel Truck arrives, and the Fuel guy will connect the Hose to your plane. Does he knows how much fuel you need for your Flight? no Does he know how many Tanks your Jet have? Does he knows which tank needs to be filled first? Also no. So, you as a Pilot, is in charge of that, First you go to the Refueling Panel inside the Cockpit, turn on the System, and Open the Valves for the Main Tanks, to allow Pressurized Fuel to enter the Tanks. After that gets filled, you will open the Auxiliary Tanks, which also fill the Tail Tank. Did I mention this airplane has 10 Fuel Tanks? More than a 737 or A320. In fact, this Aircraft, although a Smaller BizJet than the usual Airliners we are used to flight, has a more complex System Operation than most Airliner you are used to. Now, you get the quantity of Fuel you like. Close the Valves, Ok. But then you notice, why is my Fuel Quantity Still going up? Because the Sensors doesn't totalize imediatelly, it needs time to Sum internally. And also, they are not as realiable as you would think. Now, let's take this Philosophy to the entire rest of the Simulation. How does your FMS knows your location? It will try to syncronize to the GPS sattelites. Depending on where you are on the Globe, you might have more, or less Sattelites available for you to track. And this will vary your Navigation Precision. Worst case scenario, you can't get a reliable GPS signal, and you are back to the Past, relying on the 3 IRSs and Radio Navigation. Talking about the IRSs, they actually work, not by magically reading the Data from the Simulator for your location. There is no magic here. Everything needs a reason to exist, information can't come from nowhere. So, they actually do the same calculation as a real IRS would do. If your airplane move before you finish aligning them, you have a problem. You will also notice, sometimes, your Synthetic Vision, on the PFD, while you are Stationary on the Ground, is constantly moving a little around. That's not a bug, That's because the Synthetic Vision needs the GPS and INS data to know where you are. No magic Numbers here. And as much as you want, you are never 100% exact. So, the system will shift your known position, even if for just half a meter. Now, your Engine, they are also being simulated in real time, nothing is scripted, its all Physics, generating the values. Are you flying at a very low TAT? Your Fuel Controller will notice that, and adjust your Max Power Available based on that. Numerous reports have appeared of users that can't increase the Engines past a certain %N2, and that is because they let themselves get too slow, on a very low ISA, and if you don't keep the TAT high enough, you are in trouble. Speaking of the engine, the APU is itself a work of art as well. Use the APU Bleed, and notice your APU ITT getting higher, because it needs to use more Fuel to keep the same Core Speed. Again, all Phisically simulated, nothing here is based on Tables or a Script. Flying it also feels like a Challenge (Pun intended). You never feel like you are not flying a very high performance Jet. You will have to deal with the fact the engines mounted at the top of the Tail will make your nose pitch down with power, and up without. This takes getting used to, and lots of Trimming. The entire time, if feels you are really in control of something so unique and powerful, beautifully balanced, but at the same time, that can bite you pretty quickly, if you don't treat it with respect. To finish, since this has already taken way more lines than I could predict. This Addon doesn't Raise the Bar. It creates a whole new Category of it's own. The other Developers don;'t need to worry of losing costumers to this one. It's not a competition. It's not about FS2020, X-Plane, P3D, it doesnt matter. This is a Full Simulation, inside a Simulator. It is as Standalone as Possible, without ditching the Base Sim and going Solo. It doesn't get any higher than this. What I have felt so far, goes beyong anything I have ever experienced on a Desktop, the only thing that came close to this for me, was a real experience on a Level D Simulator. And I say this with full confidence. You can't get any simulation as realistic as this one on your Simulator, no matter which. This is a Landmark in the Simulation History. What goes inside this, is beyond your and my imagination. Hope this brings some useful Impressions and Information for all.

Dont know if this was ever mentioned before, but this website is amazing for calculating all kinds of performance numbers, including fuel burn for the flight distance. Kodiak Performance (pohperformance.com) I use their version for the TBM900, and it's as real as it gets, straight from the manuals.

Just a reminder, launch is today 02:00Z 🙂 And I have Class tomorrow at 11:00. Gonna be a looong night

I think its best if everyone just not engage in this meaningless discussion happening. This topic is about a specific addon being launched, why are we talking about anything other than that?

Tell me one addon in any Sim, be it P3D, X-Plane. MSFS2020, etc, that has these modelled: Real Time Simulation of GPS Constellation, depending on their position, your location and time of the flight, it may give you better or worse precision, to the point you are unable to conduct more precise RNP Approach. Also simulated is Datalink via VHF Radio, with correct coverage of stations across the globe, for WX Info Request, Flight Plan Download, Wind Data, etc. Iridium Network also simulated, with realistic download and upload bandwith. Physically Based Real Time Simulation of all Engine Components. With individual component Temperature, Pressure on the Chambers, etc. Same goes for Pressurization, Hydraulics, Electric Systems, etc. Speaking of Electric, the Loading on the Electric System is simulated to within each light bulb inside the cabin. This I will let the description from X-Aviation Product Page tell the story. "One of the most common methods of data transmission in aircraft is over a serial bus called ARINC 429. We've simulated over 300 ARINC 429 data buses between various systems, each of which is really present in the real aircraft as well. Every piece of information that a system sends out over a serial bus is first formatted into a data word, placed on the bus and asynchronously sent over to its receivers. Some downstream data consumers do not have direct links to the sources of the information. In those cases, data is first passed through a network of data routers." These are just some examples, from the 3 year of development that went into this project. Much more goes on.

For me personally, the amount of incredible moments this addon will generate, it's worth at that price, no doubt at all. I can't list how many times I read something on a manual, then opened the Sim very excited to see how that worked, and the Developer didn't implement it, or the implementation is clearly wrong. Also, how many times I had to stop the simming in the middle of the flight, and due to no save state, all is lost. Or everything feels great, but due to having no optimization, it runs really bad, and makes way less fun to fly it around a more detailed scenery. So, to think just one addon is going through all those limitations, incredible visuals, with incredible systems like no one ever seen before, with so much dynamic stuff only few companies bothered to do, most of them with pretty crappy simulation, because they focus all their time in doing the cool stuff to sell. It's just all in this one package. The price is higher that I would have liked, specially because I come from Brazil, and I know how the reality is there, but unfortunately there isn't much that can be done in this area. I dont blame the developers for the decision in their pricing. It's up to them to prioritize the market they feel it will make more sense..Business is Business.

Here is the Stream on Youtube, for those who prefer it to Twitch! Really is unbelievable Jose. There are no words that can describe how much is going into this addon, it's better to watch the video and see for yourself. It will be an game changer for the Simulation Industry, making a new standard for all to follow, that I have no doubt.

Just saw this thread!!! Wow, took a long time 🙂 I own the TBM900, and have been closely following the development of the Challenger 650, and I can easily say, it will be a simulation with unpredecent detail and depth in the modelling of all the systems, Avionics, FMS, you name it! Stuff like simulating the propagation of VHF signals to accurately model which Datalink System is available to you as a crew to use for fetching data sch WX information. A complete Organic simulation of a Turbine, where all part is modeled in real time, and everything is not scripted, but actually physically calculated and outputed as a result of your current condition. A Collins ProLine 21 recreation that doesn't look too far from what a real Level D Simulation features, complete with all the communication and network Protocols between every different Avionic Hardware Units, following the real logics and flows. And the list goes on... I just can't wait to get my hands on this addon, it is somethign like we have never seen on a desktop simulation, other than the very very few standalone over 300+ euros solutions until now. Hype is pretty big for me!

A good test would be fetching real world metar data into Xplane.Weather. in that case, QNH should.always give correct field elevation, no matter what the temperature.offset is etc etc. If in any way, Xplane does anything that doesnt allow.Metar QNH to indicate correct field elevation on the altimeter, then there.is.something.wrong in the implementation

If thats the case, that needs to change ASAP with this new implementation

The pressure lapse compression or expansion only happens above field altitude. How will a temperature offset from ISA affect the pressure below elevatioj? There is no air mass to be influenced there, so the effect only happens beginning above AGL. At field elevation, it doesnt matter

Holy Moly... I have read some of the stuff in there, and it has impressed me beyond expectations

Not making a criticize of X-plane or the addons involved. But if you are looking for a convertion to flying the real 747, look no further than PSX 747-400 Sim. It's just perfect for the objetive you need the Sim for. Just the most accurace representation of a 747 in a Simulator.

Really glad with what I have seen from LR in this presentation. I admit I got scared when they started with the F14 and the TopGun stylemusic though.. My first though was, they are trying to reach an audience that is already catched by competition in an area completely out of their reach out. Luckly this was not.true! This brings to the table what was missing for XP12 to continue as a base Simulation platform for using 3rd party quality addons. Dynamic Weather System, Beautiful Volumetric Clouds (Prettier than the competition from some angles), and a more living world. For me thats plenty for XP12 to continue in the business, if you care more than anything about having the scenery Msfs2020 has, and the flightmodel and other areas doesnt bother you, you are definitely not the Xplane target audience, and shouldnt bother with XP12. Cant wait to see good quality addons running on a modern updated Sim platform!

My brief review of the Felis 742, for those still at the fence about buying it. Everything feels, sounds and looks like a Classic Boeing. The way the Manipulators work on the MCP, you spinning the Knobs, and watching the beautiful animations done on this, it's just a treat. Talking about animations, it's well done all around the cockpit. The Gauges don't ever feel Faked, just instantaneously going to random values because a code said so, everything has proper detail, moves and functions as you would expect on a plane from the 60s The System Simulation is just incredible. You will have to read a lot of manuals to know how to balance the fuel because you left the APU on too long on the ground, scavanger pumps, reserve tanks on the wing, the whole deal! Hydraulics also, you will get no braking until you energyze the Electric Pump 4, no Steering Tiller without proper setup as well. It's not superficial knobs going on and off, it has the entire schematics correctly in the code, so your actions have consequences. Radio Navigation and INS: The best I have seen in any Simulator so far. I still am not confident to operate the INSs, but it supports DME Updates, Drifts realistically over time, you manage 3 separate units, etc. It is just the most realistic plane to get the Airliner experience from the 60s 70s and 80s. Radio Navigation, using Custom Plugin simulating ADF Needle Dip, Realistic VOR and ILS propagation ranges, False Glideslope Signals from above. It's all there. It never feels like you are flying a Default Xplane addon. Best for last, Flight Handling. It is an area Felis really stands out. The Handling, contrary to what people might think, is very agile and responsive in a 747. You really control it at the tip of your fingers, and Felis has captured this just perfectly. It's not there's no inertia, there is a LOT, but it's not an aircraft you go Full Movement and wait for something to happen. Also, the Drag seems spot on on varios configurations, go Flaps 10, let your airspeed drop below target, and just notice how difficult it is to hold altitude and get it back on speed, you are on the wrong side of the curve, it will not want to accelerate. It takes a lot of care to never let yourself in a bad situation. The attitudes all seems very close to the Manuals, The performance also spot on. Even the Ground Handling has been a pleasure to do! The 3d External Model is beautiful, the shape is just perfect for the 742 to my eyes. There are a ton of liveries already for download at Felis Discord. One area I don't mind, but people coming from MSFS2020 might, is that you will not get that sharp text from looking at 10cm from the fuselage like it's possible in MSFS2020, the Liveries don't hold that well from so close, but it really is just something only someone who goes for visuals above all else would notice. The Framerates here are around 35-40fps with Felis 742. Pretty good to me. Not saying there is no impact on the frames, because there is for an addon of such complexity, but nothing close to some addons that will bring X-plane to it's knee. Overall, I can't recommend enough the Addon! You can really feel it is an addon 3+ years in the making. Nothing was Rushed, it's something that will get a ton of support, future variants, a LTN-92 Navigation System in the future, so it really is a must have purchase for anyone who loves a Classic, and like to deal more with Flying, and less with typing on a Computer 🙂

It's OUT at the ORG Go get it!! 😃

Ton of material can be found on Felis Discord Channel: https://discord.gg/KkpPgxqh Check the Pinned Messages in the 747-200 section

Tell me about it... Been counting the minutes since I discovered this project 🙂 Almost finished reading the manuals. Missing the INS though... Will only touch it after I get used to handling the enormeous workload of a 3 crew cockpit!

It seems to be X-Plane way of operation, they don't like things dynamically adapting over the course of year. They would rather pick a time period, within the X-plane Version Lifespan, of say, 4/5 Years, and match everything realistically to that single point in time. Exactly what we discovered is done in their Magnetic Declination Tables. It used to be good enough, but nowadays I don't think this is enough, they need to step up their game and make a sim that feels alive, to better match the competition. And to do that. you can't rely on being accurate once in a year.

I don't race fake pilots. I bought Uncle Jack's PT-19 Addon. Slow but open cockpit, I can smell the Oil 🙂

I thought you were a real Mig21 pilot. I disappointed