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Oh, but I am very much aware that MS Flight was not a revolutionary new sim ! But still, it was IMHO a significant improvement over the existing FSX code, certainly in terms of scenery and even flight models. Which makes it all the more incomprehensible that DTG would revert to the original FSX code. Oh well, all water under the bridge now.

Like a broken record I keep repeating this whenever and wherever I can: IMHO DTG dug their onw grave when they decided to use the MS FSX platform instead of the MS Flight one. It is certainly nice to have Carenado-like aircraft out-of-the-box, and the raindrops keep reminding me of my all time favourite sim, Flight Unlimited, but Orbx or no Orbx, I hate the FSW scenery just as much as I hate the FSX one (basically, because the scenery engines are the same of course). Nothing more than my two cents.

From what I understand, not legally.

So very true, but WotanUK still makes an interesting point. Would the - obvious to everyone - fact that P3D is de facto being used by some for entertainment purposes allow DTG to sue LM? IMHO DTG would be insane to do so, but who knows .... That said, all this has nothing to do with the OP's original question. DTG's Flight Sim World is not a continuation of MS Flight. and that is all that needs to be said. Bonus: links to the original press releases: https://news.microsoft.com/2009/11/30/lockheed-martin-microsoft-agreement-to-bring-better-training-to-warfighters/#VyIIEcRaYK2L3XI0.97 http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2009/november/LockheedMartin-MicrosoftA.html

Maybe, but I am not entirely convinced. End of 2008 ESP was a marketing strategy by Microsoft, more in particular its Institute for Advanced Technology in Government, to - in their own words - "bring “plug and play” capabilities to commercial off-the-shelf PC-based computer hardware platforms and devices, putting the entire spectrum of training simulations within reach by making them much more affordable and faster to develop or modify" So yes, from the start MS ESP was clearly aimed at the public sector, and LM obviously never intended to sell a "game".

LM can sue their users for misuse of the license (something that is highly unlikely IMO, but theoretically possible), but DTG ? All that LM and MS ever did was enter into an intellectual property (IP) licensing agreement that allowed LM to further develop the Microsoft ESP. The decision "not for entertainment purposes" was LM's decision and their decision alone. Neither MS nor DTG have anything to do with this.

As I recall the reason DTG gave for choosing the FSX engine was that they had already invested a lot of time and effort in upgrading FSX for the Steam platform. With MS Flight they would have to start all over again. In any case, the new DTG sim will probably be a 64-bit FSX with Orbx landclass and Accu-Feel enhancement. It will definitely not be a MS Flight 2 !

I can assure you it never occurs in MS Flight, simply because there is no ATC !

Methinks you are in the wrong forum.

Same here. I was a huge FU3 fan. It made MS FS look like a silly cartoon. MS Flight gave me that same feeling of flying FU3 did when I first tried it. My main sim these days is XP10, but I still fire up MS Flight every now and then. As for DTG Flight School - they made the wrong choice with FSX IMHO, but that's their mistake. BTW, the three second memory of a goldfish is probably a myth http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/goldfish-memory-minimyth/

Apparently SOH blew their hard disk or something, so I couldn't read the thread until now. I wouldn't say "appears", as falcon409 clearly states that "...he started working this up over a year ago and I believe that the things you found were things he was unable to correct. The reasons for that are his to relate, but as it is the aircraft from MSFlight there were some limitations in what he was able to accomplish." Without permission this certainly looks like a no-no to me.

It's been a while since I last visited this place. I'm surprised there is so little activity. Has everyone given up? Or are we waiting for Dovetail's flight sim ? http://www.dovetailgames.com/news/2015/aug/4/dovetail-games-looks-to-the-future-collaborating-with-microsoft

A landmark figure of the Flight Sim Community is no longer with us. My condolences to his family.

My deepest respect for everything you've done for the flightsimming community. My thoughts are with you and your family.

Thanks for the swift reply, Stonelance. That makes a lot of sense, and I'll give it a try then. You're probably right that Dovetail's world won't be Flight quality. But I would still pay good money for a few more Flight qualtiy high detail areas. In the meanwhile, your solution is heaven-sent. Thanks again for all the excellent work.