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I can assure you it never occurs in MS Flight, simply because there is no ATC !

Methinks you are in the wrong forum.

Same here. I was a huge FU3 fan. It made MS FS look like a silly cartoon. MS Flight gave me that same feeling of flying FU3 did when I first tried it. My main sim these days is XP10, but I still fire up MS Flight every now and then. As for DTG Flight School - they made the wrong choice with FSX IMHO, but that's their mistake. BTW, the three second memory of a goldfish is probably a myth http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/goldfish-memory-minimyth/

Apparently SOH blew their hard disk or something, so I couldn't read the thread until now. I wouldn't say "appears", as falcon409 clearly states that "...he started working this up over a year ago and I believe that the things you found were things he was unable to correct. The reasons for that are his to relate, but as it is the aircraft from MSFlight there were some limitations in what he was able to accomplish." Without permission this certainly looks like a no-no to me.

It's been a while since I last visited this place. I'm surprised there is so little activity. Has everyone given up? Or are we waiting for Dovetail's flight sim ? http://www.dovetailgames.com/news/2015/aug/4/dovetail-games-looks-to-the-future-collaborating-with-microsoft

My deepest respect for everything you've done for the flightsimming community. My thoughts are with you and your family.

Thanks for the swift reply, Stonelance. That makes a lot of sense, and I'll give it a try then. You're probably right that Dovetail's world won't be Flight quality. But I would still pay good money for a few more Flight qualtiy high detail areas. In the meanwhile, your solution is heaven-sent. Thanks again for all the excellent work.

I've been away for a while - and much to my surprise - now learn that one can import FSX scenery. Not to offend anyone, and I do have a lot of respect for Stonelance's hard work - but for the life of me, I can't see the point. One of the things that drew me to MS Flight was its superior scenery. Now, if I wanted to look at FSX scenery, I'd simply re-install FSX. Or am I missing something ? I do hope Dovetail will revive MS Flight, along the way attracting talented developers providing us with "genuine MS Flight quality" sceneries. Just my 2 cents.

Well, in spite of using MS technology, it obviously wouldn't be a Microsoft flight sim anymore, so I guess AVSIM could create the "Dovetail whatever" Forums. Edit Ah, the question has already been answered.

I had to look up SOL, and understand now why it isn't written out in full My feeling is DTG will try so hard to "rebrand" MS Flight, they might even deny their new program has anything to do with MS Flight at all! So yes, we will be SOL. My two cents.

the ESP IP (intellectual property) . See http://forum.avsim.net/topic/446086-dovetail-games-buys-licensing-deal-with-microsoft/page-12#entry3027860 We can only hope that Dovetail will rebrand MS Flight, make a few fixes, perhaps provide some extra DLC, and allow 3d party development.

freequest, I don't have a glass ball and honestly have no idea how FSX will be received at STEAM. I was merely voicing an opinion, not a fact. What happens next is 'wait and see'. If the FSX STEAM edition attracts new simmers, so much the better for the FSX community, and the flight sim community in general. This is the MS Flight forum. I'm more worried about what will happen to the MS Flight franchise, but again, that is 'wait and see'.

Yes, I do not doubt for one moment that FSX has an awesome modding community. The point is, Dovetail will release a "bare" FSX (hopefully bug-free, and perhaps with multi-playing re-enabled), but obviously without all the add-ons. Now, be honest, would you like to play the 2006 version of FSX, without any add-ons? And how much have you paid for all your add-ons over the years? And will those add-ons be available as DLC on STEAM? Just asking. That said, whatever sim makes you happy, makes me happy too. We can all hope that the STEAM releases will attract a whole bunch of new simmers, whether that be new FSX, XP10 or (in the future) revived Flight simmers.

Maybe this is where the confusion is coming from MS press release ORLANDO, Fla. — Nov. 30, 2009 — Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) and Microsoft Corp. entered into an intellectual property (IP) licensing agreement that allows Lockheed Martin to further develop the Microsoft ESP PC-based visual simulation software platform to better train warfighters for battle. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2009/nov09/11-30warfightertrainingpr.aspx

Cannot agree entirely with that. The "flight dynamics engine" of MS Flight is an improved version of the FSX engine, whereas P3D is still using the old FDE. But the MS Flight code certainly isn't 64 bit, and I doubt Dovetail has any plans (or the capability for that matter) to convert it to 64 bit.

Yes, to the FSX Gold version. I think that what they're saying is: "don' expect FS11 or FS12 for that matter", at least not from Dovetail. To make it even clearer: Microsoft "retained all development rights to “Flight Simulator,” according to Xbox spokesman David Dennis. http://blogs.seattletimes.com/brierdudley/2014/07/09/microsofts-flight-simulator-returns-sort-of/ DTG is allowed to (re)distribute FSX Gold, and that's it. As far as I know, that does not apply to MS Flight.

Frankly, I think the STEAM FSX version is going to be torn to pieces by the STEAM crowd (throwing completely outdated graphics at those who are used to the latest sugar candy?). MS Flight wasn't brought down by the "serious" flight sim community. FAIK MS was still making money, they just weren't interested anymore.

Fine by me, as long as they also allow 3d party DLC

Maybe DTG is threatening to put FSX on STEAM (perhaps with a few added hoop courses) just to drive the FSX crowd mad. I call it hysteromania. (hm, I just looked it up in the dictionary - perhaps not the word I was looking for. Oh wel ...) On a more serious note, as pointed out earlier by Orion, pcgamer has more interesting things to say: http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/09/microsoft-flight-simulator-x-and-x-plane-10-are-winging-their-way-to-steam/ "... the deal does not allow Dovetail to implement any graphical updates [to FSX], so the game will have something of a dated look. It will, however, make as many bug fixes as it can prior to release, and is also working to find a way around its dependence on GameSpy for multiplayer functionality." So, just a matter of squeezing the last bit of money out of FSX while it lasts. "It also confirmed that while it will be making "all-new flight sims using Microsoft's technology," it will not actually be making new Microsoft Flight Simulator games." In other words, they'll rebrand MS Flight and put it on STEAM, with additional DLC in years to come. At least, that's my interpretation, but stonelance said as much long before the gamespot and pcgamer articles.

As far as age is concerned, the distribution is very much skewed to the left (i.e. the mass of the distribution is concentrated on the right of the figure). Conclusion: the flight sim community could use some fresh STEAM input.

I can't imagine they would release DLC for the "ancient" MS FS engine ! So indeed, there is hope !

add to that, that XP10 is also to be released on Steam shortly.

What exactly does "all-new flight products based on Microsoft’s genre-defining flight technology" mean? If it's DLC formerly known as add-ons for the FSX engine, the future looks bleak. If it's new content for MS Flight, at least the MS Flight community would be very pleased.

If by EA you mean Electronic Arts, I was a big fan of Flight Unlimited III. If it's a continuation of MS Flight, I'm all for it.

Not quite sure what this means for MS Flight? All talk of FSX ... DoveTail Games Buys Licensing Deal with Microsoft http://forum.avsim.net/topic/446086-dovetail-games-buys-licensing-deal-with-microsoft/#entry3026639