Skywatcher

It's supossed to be open discussion. We know nothing about the sim. It may be excellent or it may be a total waste of hard drive space. That's the reality. Discussion of any type should not be met with criticism. It's all open.

I don't do detention, I do Prison Simulation.

No, it's a Flight Simulator! I don't game, I am not a gamer. I was using FarCry today. It is not a game. It is Combat Simulation. I wish people would understand I have no interest in gaming. Gaming is for lesser individuals.

Yes, and they have already charged for this in previous years. The new add-on for $140 will take around 1-2 years. Of course it does, I explained it to you. All sorts of add-ons by all sizes of development teams are available for comparison on Steam. Nothing you have said substantiates a wickedly extreme price for an add-on they will have completed in 1-2 years. As I said, only in flight sims, train sims and kids games...

It's not going to take years, maybe 1 or maybe 2 unless it's not coming until 2025. So you are saying because the market is not big, we must charge far more so we can make as much profit as those in a big market...hmmm...

I've compared it to an add-on for a game which is precisely what it is. There are at least thousands, likely tens of thousands of other DLC's made by large developers, small developers and everything in between you can compare the PMDG price too.

I can afford the PMDG. It does not make the price right or fair. To answer my question you pulled out another flight sim add-on. There must be thousands of add-ons for games on Steam. You cannot find me a handful that are similarly priced to the PMDG? This in no way makes you see a reason to question the pricing of the PMDG as being possibly excessive? I'd still be fascinated to know what you would consider a fair price for MSFS if the PMDG isn't a ripp-off? If you compare the PMDG to MSFS, MSFS should sell for at least 20 times the price shouldn't it? I simply call some things stupidity and/or vein.

Please, find me all the DLC's that are priced as per the PMDG? I have been through this before. What price are you prepared to pay for MSFS as it will have faaaaaaaaaar more features and performances than the PMDG?

Every parent has been ripped off. Who's going to deny their nagging child the game they really want or that add-on they really want? They can charge crazy prices and rip you off in this market sector. Then there are still the other two.

Hate to break the bad news to you but you are a gamer. You could clearly be sold anything. See if you can also work out the why on the below? There are 3 places you can totally rip people off with game pricing. 1. Flight Sims 2. Train Sims 3. Kids games

You are struggling to see beyond your own wants. Keep in mind MSFS is a game sold in a game market. Keep in mind PMDG is just an add-on for that game. You are comparing software that is nothing alike. You might as well question why does NASA spend so much money on software for space missions when Angry Birds software is only $2.99? Compare game add-ons to game add-ons. Please list me Steam DLC's that are over $140 for any game. Where does the PMDG price rank for add-on content for a game?

16 pages and the entire point has been missed. When people create content for a game and charge ridiculous prices it effects everything. Their will be freeware developers sick of creating for nothing while others charge out of their mind prices. Some of the freeware developers will stop creating content for the game. Another negative is the entire game franchise gets reflected upon leaving a bad feeling across a broad range of users both current and potential. It's not just a case of determining if one's wallet is fat enough to determine if the price if fine or if it is not. Everyone will lose out in the end, fat wallet or not.

There are products that are marked up from cost at 50%, 100% even 1,000%. It's to make as much profit as possible. If anyone here thinks $140 is just to recover costs OMG. Good business is about being fair.

We are not paying the same price. MSFS should retail for $2,200.95 as the work and time spent on that will be far more immense than the plane. I hope I don't hear of you complaining. You work within boundaries and to expectation if you are any good at what you do.

Finally must add, because our house cost us half a million dollars, does not mean it is fine for our plane for our plane game to cost half a million dollars. If I buy a cup of coffee, there is an expectation it will cost less than my house.

You did well, that price is peanuts. PMDG have an allergy to peanuts.

Cost me 5 bucks for the finest car I've ever driven in a race sim. Cost me another 5 bucks for some fine tarmac to put it on. $140 and you will still have nowhere to put it. Wakey wakey.

I won't buy it because I have enough intelligence to understand when I am being dictated too and taken for a ride. I understand the difference between right and wrong. It's all basic stuff I learned in life as a juvenile from mommy and daddy.

They could charge $500 and a night with your wife and people would still defend it.

See your post count has now gone up to 14. lol If you are going to suggest things I said, at least use things I actually said. I said nothing about ATC. I said they mentioned a flight planner and that was it. They did not make any specific comment beyond this suggesting the flight planner will have increased functionality from what any flight sim has. That's what I am looking for, ANYTHING that tells us this will be beyond a simple everyday plane game and something that tells us it will be a continuation of the franchise. EVERYTHING in this forum is based one one thing, the game title. There is nothing else so far released that indicates this will be a modern FSX.

I can't explain it in any more ways. You are taking very open terms and creating your own specific meanings for them. There is not one single, solitary direct indication been made to demonstrate MSFS will be a FSX replacement. Would you not expect to see this? Maybe expect them to post something about SIDS/STARS or functional FMC's or improved ATC or use SDK over content? Does it not seem odd to be highlighting basic flight sim features if they are actually producing a FSX replacement???

I totally understand what you are suggesting, I'm assuming you are meaning areas that would be in our peripheral vision are well represented using DOF? My point regarding DOF and reality, is elements will always not be sharp using DOF. With the eye in a real; situation, you can look at any area and it would be sharp. If the game has a DOF effect, it's not like reality because those particular areas will always be blurry. The other problem area is dynamic range. The whites in the screenshot, are too bright or what we would term blown out, they show no detail whatsoever. In the same scene in reality, the human eye would see detail in those areas.

I have tried to point out direct and indirect posting as both are the same. I am direct, Mengy above is indirect but in the end, it's all the same thing. We both post in the same manner. Noooch on the other hand, has been nothing but respectful and posted appropriately. He doesn't agree with what I say and this is fine. His posting is not indirect but simply honest from someone who can disagree in a respectful manner and in return would always receive respectful responses from myself. With such members positive and rational discussion is possible. Don't panic, I have no intention on staying and causing mods more headaches, I am leaving just wanted to clear these final points about my thoughts on the screenshot etc that were asked for before I go.

It's no surprise whatsoever to read such a post and find 6 reactions. First, read your post and tone so here is an appropriate reply. I'll return a favor and set you straight on what you just stated. I did not state number of posts has anything to do with intellect. You're making things up now. For those who have few posts, if everyone was like this there would be no forum, nothing to read, nowhere for you to surf and this game would be dead. I have no time for people who just sit back and make no effort to participate to help keep old games like FS9 and FSX alive. Secondly, my issue with this guy, he created only his 10th post. In this post, he stated I'm a loser because he read I prefer FS9 over P3D/XP, based it on the assumption I have a low end PC and stated I'm obviously frustrated. Now, if anyone feels that an appropriate reason to make a 10th post is to trash somebody and get into a heated debate, sorry, I'm not the frustrated one or the one with the problem! lol

15,000 users there for a hardcore sim and 63 million Xbox users there for something a little more casual.