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Can you fly straight and level hands off (no A/P)? If not, you might have some joystick/yoke/pedals calibration issue if you're pulling to one side or the other.Are your throttle levers "synchronized"? Are both N1 reacting in sync?I ask because I haven't had any such issues in FS9.Lee Hetherington (KBED)http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/betaimg.jpg

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Yes I think it may be calibration issues!It makes sense to me now Thank you very much....

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has to be your stick. I lande dit in seattle yesterday with a 15 knot cross...autopilot preformed flawlessGary HayesPOSKY Aircraft Paintergary@projectopensky.comP4 3.0ghz w/HT & FSB..GeForce FX 5900 ultra 256MB..1 gig PC3200 DDR RAM..Sound Blaster Audigy w/5.1 THX

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Well, I think I have the same kind of problems. After calibrating ..still had the problem.What are my options?IS there a better flight yoke than the CH PRO USB?

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Wow, I have the exact same problem here too. I seems like when I touch down the 737 Yaws hard and I have to fight it to stay on the runway. I'm using a Sidewinder Precision Pro 2 digital joystick and it seems to be calibrated perfectly.Who is able to track centerline on landing and what kind of joystick/yoke are you using? Man I'd really like to know.

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Yes - something weird here. Changing heading with rudder - but track still the same. Just like skidding on ice. Moving "outboard" wing into the wind should lift it up and turn the aircraft.eker

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Think I got a solution:Calibrate joystick rudder to a minimum.Add a few knots to landing speed. Nail the runway centerline to rain repell nozzle. (The little piece in lower window frame).Keep it glued with AILERON ADJUSTMENT ONLY!!Avoid rudder input!!!eker

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>Think I got a solution:>Keep it glued with AILERON ADJUSTMENT ONLY!!>>Avoid rudder input!!!>>ekerNot to get in a contest here, but you should be able to use rudder and aileron input.If you would fly the MS737 (either MS2002 of FS9) you would have none of these problems, so obvious is a little bug somewhere. Initially I was suspecting the MDL file but that was not the case, I downloaded the Aircraft Airfile Manager from http://www.aircraftmanager.com/modules.php...showpage&pid=11 and I was able after a few modifications to completely get control on maintaining the aircraft on centerline (A/P off) in crosswind conditions up to 30 knots.Right know I am working on the 700 version to fix the same issue.Regards,Alex :-)

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Thank you Alex. You are right - but I tried to find a way to avoid this bug. Seems that all the beta testers has flown with autoland or in calm weather.My way of flying is to disconnect A/P A/T when established ILS. This bug ruin a lot of fun. It is a great plane and I am willing put a lot of effort to bring back the satisfaction of perfect manual landing.BUTI have no idea how to change config file or whatever it is. I know how to turn on the computer and select fs2004 -thats it.So could please advice how to do it or send a copy of your file?thanks ;-)eker

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>So could please advice how to do it or send a copy of your>file?>>thanks ;-)>>ekerIt would be my pleasure to help.Just give me a few hours, I have to go out, and I will be back later.Give me your e-mail and I will send you the file with modifications, only for the 600, as I mentioned before I am working on the 700 and am not ready yet.Regards,Alex :-)

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While we're on the subject of joysticks, etc. - I am having an awful time trying to get my new joystick to work with the new SU2. It worked FLAWLESSLY with the forst release of the 737. It seems that every time I put the plane on autopilot, the slightest quick motion left or right, up or down will disengage VNAV, LNAY, heading & Altitude. In the first version, selecting autopilot made it so the joystick became disabled until the A/P was disconnected again. Is this normal? Is it a bug? The only way I can seem to get it to sort of work is to disable the FOrce Feedback feature. I am using a Saitek Cyborg 3D Joystick. It is only 3 months old, I have the latest drivers, etc. Again - it worked FINE with the first release. I only have this problem with SU2.Thanks all.Chris

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>Yes - something weird here. Changing heading with rudder ->but track still the same. Just like skidding on ice. Moving>"outboard" wing into the wind should lift it up and turn the>aircraft.>>ekerHi,same problem here. You have to disconnect A/P to avoid this "bug".In Ver. 1.1 this was not the case.C. Lazzari

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Hi,Re: problem not being able to track the centerline (with autopilot off, hand flown) I was able to fix this issue and it is related to the .air file for the 600 and 700 versions.Just a few modifications and with crosswinds @ 36 Kts (A/C limitations I guess is 30 Kts demonstrated if I am not mistaken) and REALISM SETTINGS AUTORUDDER OFF the are no problems to stay on centerline.The issue here is that I don

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Alex,Hopefully the good folks at PMDG will let you publish your fix. I really like this plane, but when I tried to hand fly a visual approach into Midway with a moderate cross wind it was flat out impossible. It really put a bummer on a 2 hour flight.ed

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"Seems that all the beta testers has flown with autoland or in calm weather."What do you know about that? Did you sit beside me or something?In that case, I can`t say I saw ya ;)

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>Changing heading with rudder - but track still the same.uhhh, I think this is exactly what a real airplane is supposed to do! You can't change the track of a heavy airliner with rudder input only, at least not instantly...I can't see any of the bugs you guys are mentioning in this thread. Crosswind landings and one-engine out landings are a joy to fly with PMDGs airliner!And that rudder thing, don't use rudder input to stay on the runway axis while on final or on the LOC or whatever. During a crosswind- or one-engine-approach use the rudder only ONCE, that is just before touchdown to turn the airplane onto a runway heading...While this may be clear to most of you I got the feeling some useres have a wrong idea on how to fly those kind of approaches. Regards,Markus

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>uhhh, I think this is exactly what a real airplane is supposed>to do! You can't change the track of a heavy airliner with>rudder input only, at least not instantly...>And that rudder thing, don't use rudder input to stay on the>runway axis while on final or on the LOC or whatever. During a>crosswind- or one-engine-approach use the rudder only ONCE,>that is just before touchdown to turn the airplane onto a>runway heading...>>While this may be clear to most of you I got the feeling some>useres have a wrong idea on how to fly those kind of>approaches. >>Regards,>Markus

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Markus,I would like to say this, this is from the experience of flying big jets, and of from the aircraft manual what you would see form the A/P in crosswind conditions:During the final stages of the approach (between 150 ft to flare) in reference to wind intensity the airplane will start lining up with the rwy, this is done with rudder inputs.This is also accomplished when you hand fly the airplane, rudder inputs to take away that drift and line it up with the centerline.There are airplanes that will not allow you to use any bank because of the danger of hitting an engine pod (737 if I remember correctly over 7 or 8 degrees of bank will leave behind some sparks on the rwy)So making such statement like

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I got the PFC Jetliner Yoke with throttles (which includes gear lever, flap lever, reverse thrust lever and a spoiler lever as well) and rudder pedals and differential toe brakes on the rudder pedals..it can also be yours for about $1200.00! Worth every penny though!!

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Alex,Maybe you didn't understand me correctly or I was not able to express myself clearly... Basicly I wanted to tell the same thing you just did, meaning do not use rudder until the last seconds before touchdown. I know that one should not bank the airplane at that stage of the approach.Oh well it seems I couldn't find the right words, and now after re-reading the thread I am not sure as what the "bug" people are talking really is...Regards,Markus

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AlexChanging email adress I am not able to answer on the old adress (I try to fix the new) Just tested your -600 config. a few touch&go using VASI lights only - first impression :-) :-) x 1000. A few (hopefully) last comments:1. PMDG and betatesters has put a lot of effort into autoflight and done an impressive job.2. Manual approach/landing is not up to this standard.3. Maybe the numbers in manual flight are correct. Rudder degree deflections vs aileron deflections - impact on airspeed v/s and so on.... But it does not FEEL right. (Have some flighthours in real flightsim myself). Manual landing should be challenging and rewarding - but PMDG has simulated a commercial aircraft - not the Delta Dagger.4.Discussing joysticks - even a guy with an old sloppy worn joystick should have FUN landing the 737.eker. (Keep in touch Alex - and thank you for saving my weekend :-) )

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