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Qantas Simulator - Thank You PMDG

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Background: 7 years ago I posted an article at Flightsim.com (sorry!) about my experience in a Qantas 747-400 simulator at Sydney. Since then I have been back 4 times, the last of which was last weekend when I had a 4 hour session. It was breathtaking.The purpose of this post is to say to those @ PMDG who created this wonderful product - "thank you".It is difficult to believe that from the humble hobby that we all love, you can go to a full motion simulator and not crash the bloody thing! Seriously, each time I have been on the sim the instructor could not believe that anyone who has not flown a real aircraft (let alone a 747) could fly the "Queen".Minor issues - to those at PMDG - on each time I have been on the Qantas sim it has been the same compared to the PMDG flight model except that (1) on take-off the aircraft accelarates less quickly; and (2) on climb out the flap retraction happens much more slowly (at all TO weights). Is there a reason for this?Once again, thank you,Regards,AlanPerth, Western Australia

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How did get to experience the simulator?Michael

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Yes, pleeeeeeaaaaase, tell us the complete story:4 hours in a 747 sim !!!!! How on earth have you reached that piece of glory ?We ARE waiting...Regards. Jose Luis.

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Alan,That's great man! I'm gonna get to try the same thing in June on a 777 sim.

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"(1) on take-off the aircraft accelarates less quickly; and (2) on climb out the flap retraction happens much more slowly (at all TO weights)."Which is less quick/slower than which? Big sim less quick or PMDG less quick?Did you use a stopwatch or was this a seat-of-the-pants assessment :(Cheers.Q>

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Here in Brazil we have 2 main simulator bases.One in S

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Ever wondered how small is the place you want to spend your time the most?Tell me it's not an addiction... :)Happy for ya!Cheers,

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>"(1) on take-off the aircraft accelarates less quickly; and>(2) on climb out the flap retraction happens much more slowly>(at all TO weights).">>Which is less quick/slower than which? Big sim less quick or>PMDG less quick?>>Did you use a stopwatch or was this a seat-of-the-pants>assessment :(I think he what he's getting at is that the Qantas sim accelerates a little slower than the PMDG model. I also think that what he means by the flap retracting being slower is not that the flaps move from say 20 to 10 in more of an amount of time, but that the retraction schedule takes more time on the "Big sim" to complete.P.S. Does anyone know of a sim on O'ahu or even in Hawai'i? Of any airliner? (Considering the answer is probably no, I'm reconsidering that statement below my name in this instance.)Ryan GamurotLucky to live Hawai'i(?)http://www.virtualpilots.org/signatures/vpa296.png

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I spent 3 hours 2 years ago in a 747 simulator at the Qantas jet base in Sydney and completed a simulated flight from Sydney to Brisbane (Australia) with the instructor just sitting there the whole time doing nothing but watching. I landed the aircraft in Brissy with a slight crosswind just slightly to the left of the centre line. Was a lot of fun!

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I found that upon take off and climbing from the airport, the time between flap retraction was much longer than what happens in the PMDG sim. Not that I am complaining about such a small thing. but for example it may have been 2 minutes before going up from flaps 20 in the QF sim, and less than 1 minute on FS( with PMDG 747.

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Hey Ryan,Is that a mere coincidence that your taking a ride in a 777sim or am I reading to much into that?????? ehem ehem *clears throat expectantly*GideonB

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Hi Michael, you can buy simulator time. It does not come cheaply, at least with Qantas. Around AUD$900 per hour!Alan

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Hi Alan, I remember reading your article with envy, seven years ago.I can`tbelieve it was that long ago. If my memory is right. I believeit was your wonderful wife that got it for you as a birthday present.You are one very lucky guy! Please could you give us some details.About who to contact at Qantas to do this. I live in Sydney andits something I would love to try. I have been using flight simssince the early 90`s version 5.1 was first anyway 747-400have always been my choice of aircraft that i enjoy using the most.And i am so glad to read that you enjoy using the pmdg 747-400as much as i do.And that it just about as real as it gets. Cheers Greg Sydney Australia

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Hello Jose Luis, will tell you more shortly. Am a bit busy tonight finishing a flight from VTBD to YPPH in the Queen!Alan

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Hi guys, sorry if I was not clear.On the take off roll, the "real" sim (after stabilising the engines and pressing TOGA) initially accelarates noticably more slowly.On climb out you are quite correct Ryan, it is not the time that it takes to retract from say flaps 20 to 10, but how quickly you need to make that call (if you watch the ITVV 747-400 video you will get some idea of what I mean). Interestingly on descent/approach it appears that PMDG have got it pretty well spot on.Alan

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The reason for the acceleration difference might just be due to FS2004 ground friction, which is hugely inaccurate, and also accounts for the 40% N1 needed for taxi. I think the taxiway friction is too much, and runway friction too little. There is a modified friction DLL floating around (SIM1.dll) but I haven't been able to find a working link anywhere.Best Regards,Robin Bilgil

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Hi Greg, glad you remembered my earlier article. Sadly my marriage ended last month after 20 years, but my love of flightsim continues. My 4 hour session was a sort of a try to get over my divorce sort of thing.Anyway, as I indicated in an earlier post anyone can book simulator time, but it does cost serious money, as stated above, with Qantas appx. $900 per hour.If you are interested I would suggest a min. of 2 hours - the time passes so quickly.You need Federal Police Clearance (for obvious reasons). Apart from that you can simply contact Qantas Flight Training @ Mascot.You will find that you will probably need to book several months ahead as again for obvious reasons they put real Qantas pilots before others.Is it worth it!? You bet it is! I'll post a longer report on the experience shortly.Regards, Alan

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Hi Jose Luis, I don't know about you but I spend countless hours flying my PC. PMDG has allowed all of us to take it to new levels.I am too old now to ever contemplate a career flying the real thing, so the closest I will ever get is flying a level D simulator.When you walk into that simulator and your mouth goes dry at the prospect of having to put into practice what you "think" you have learned, it is something special, not forgetting you have a real life Qantas instructor beside you.Once the simulator door is closed and you are seated at the controls, your whole perspective changes. It is absolutely real. Qantas recently upgraded the graphics. There are "real" buttons and switches to push/pull, seats to be moved (not that simple!), but strangely thanks again the amazing PMDG software all is somewhat strangely familiar.Once you are settled and the instructor gives you take off clearance at that point in time nothing else matters. Check everything for one last time, advance the throttles (they are stiff), press TOGA, control the roll using rudders, etc. and suddenly you are flying this incredible machine.How different it is to actually call for gear up, flaps etc and not have to push F2 or whatever. We did multiple take offs and landing, practised emergencies, and even 2 "full" flights (admittedly having reached cruise we than fast forwarded to TOD).I don't know what more I can say. The whole experience is something special.I cannot thank Qantas enough.If you want any more info. please let me know.Regards, Alan

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Thanks for your answer Alan.You say you spend countless hours flying your PC, well, I have also not counted how many I have spent myself, but I can assure you that they are never enough for me. It looks like you have touched a piece of heaven...and it must be something like that indeed.Just a question:Did you take any special, long or short, preparation for the event besides the common PMDG-747 flight experience?. I mean did you prepare a particular route from A to B or you entered the sim thinking: "let's see what happens and wait for what the instructor has to say"?Receive my congratulations and my healthy envy too.Jose Luis.

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>Background: 7 years ago I posted an article at Flightsim.com>(sorry!) I keep hearing things like, "May be uploaded anywhere EXCEPT Flightsim.com," or "Must never be uploaded at Flightsim.com." I've never visited the site for fear of hate and isolation from the FS community but I don't have any idea of the reason for this "boycott" of Flightsim.com. What happen?Ryan GamurotLucky to live Hawai'ihttp://www.virtualpilots.org/signatures/vpa296.png

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There is nothing wrong with flightsim.com.They often have some interesting articles and the like. They also have a number of fascinating articles about flights and experiences of a real-world 767 captain at American Airlines, Anthonly Vallillo. Really interesting and well-written stuff.

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Hi Alan, Sorry to hear about the divorce, Well the Federal Police clearance,would not be a problem for me I served 10 years with the RAAF1979-1989. And back then I had to have a ASIO clearance done.But at the moment i could not justify spending $1800 dollarsfor the experience.I want to upgrade my computer when the patch is released forFSX.But it is something I will plan for in the future.Yes it something special going up in a simulator. I had a very brief session in the FA/18 hornet one, back in my RAAF days.Which got me interesting in flying.Well in simulators anyway.I will look forward to reading your longer report. When you do it.Thanks again Alan forthe imformation.And next time you are in Sydney let me know. Cheers Greg Sydney Australia

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Just before Ansett Australia went bust I had the chance to fly an Ansett 767 simulator for free :) I called up Ansett public relations to ask about having a tour of the Melbourne maintenance facility. To cut a long story short I got the tour ( Just me and my brother ) and after looking over the maintenance facility and climbing in some jets the guy showing us around took us over to the simulators. As another guy was showing us in the 767 simulator he asked us if we wanted to spend an hour flying it as the next checkride test had been caned. So my brother and I each got to fly 3 circuits at YMML ( Melbourne Intl )

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I was watching this video of Concorde:

(P.S. if anyone has a downloadable version, please send me a link) Anyway, I figured that since we're on the topic of full motion simulators, look at the end of the video. The scenes of the cockpit look like a Concorde Sim. Does BA or AF have one? Or HAD one as the case may be?Ryan GamurotLucky to live Hawai'ihttp://www.virtualpilots.org/signatures/vpa296.png

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