Ummm, you may be jumping to a conclusion when you write that F1 wrote the manual.Daryl Shuttleworth DS3339http://members.shaw.ca/shuttleworth/sig01.JPG

Our belove Eric wrote the manual.

The manual is very comprehensive and well written, I'll give you that.But as for the FMC blowing away all prior attempts at replicating an FMC- that's jumping the gun a bit.I wont mention names, but there is another product out there which offers pretty much the same capabilities and realism give or take a few minor features... put it this way- LDS 767 is my long hauler, the other product being my short hauler.John http://homepage.eircom.net/~eamonnmca/images/logo_ba.JPGwww.bavirtual.co.uk Senior Captain Simflight.com Staff Reviewer

Hear hear John (EISN Control)I'm with you. Let's not get too carried away here .I'm champing at the bit for the 767 long range jobbie (printer still smokin' from the 174 page manual!) but I've still got my trusty (other Boeing aircraft with nearly as good an FMC) parked in the hangar for the short-mid flights.No names, no pack drill.... :-)

I just wanted to outline the wonderful FMC new feature of the conditional waypoints (heading until intercepting radial... heading until altitude, etc.). I had seen it only in the 747-400 PS1 simulator and we can now say that LDS has overcome even the most realistic simulator!!

>And the FMC?? ARE You KIDDING? The level of detail and ability>of the FMC blows all prior such attempts away. In fact, it>BEGS for an ATC program that will allow detailed STAR arrivals>instead of pure vectors. I seem to recall that the newest>pending version of Radar Contact may indeed fit this bill!!!>Randy Jura, KPDXRandy,Current plans are to provide the capability to inform RCV4 of the altitude and speed constraints associated with the waypoints that comprise a published STAR (or for a STAR you dream up on your own!). RCV4 will then expect you to fly the procedure as specified.-michaelRCV4 Beta Team

>of the FMC blows all prior such attempts away. In fact, it>BEGS for an ATC program that will allow detailed STAR arrivals>instead of pure vectors. Why use a program?With human ATC on VATSIM, IVAO, .. we have that already for years!I fly the ROLIS25 transition into Frankfurt regularly.Real ATC (with voice) is ofcourse much more real then any program can offer you.Nicowww.nicokaan.nl

>>of the FMC blows all prior such attempts away. In fact, it>>BEGS for an ATC program that will allow detailed STAR>arrivals>>instead of pure vectors. >Why use a program?>>With human ATC on VATSIM, IVAO, .. we have that already for>years!>I fly the ROLIS25 transition into Frankfurt regularly.>>Real ATC (with voice) is ofcourse much more real then any>program can offer you.True. However real ATC (as defined above) does not guarantee a complete departure-to-destination ATC environment when and where you want to fly. The program does. Different solutions for different user requirements (and priorities)!-michael

>I just wanted to outline the wonderful FMC new feature of the>conditional waypoints (heading until intercepting radial...>heading until altitude, etc.). I had seen it only in the>747-400 PS1 simulator and we can now say that LDS has overcome>even the most realistic simulator!!That "other" plane has this as well too... :D ;) Let's try not to have a competition here though, we're talking about two of the best dev teams in MSFS history here - anything either releases is gonna be amazing and will get lots of flight time from all of us...

OK LETS WALK BEFORE WE RUN!! FMC 130 OR 180? OR FULL ETOPS PEGASUS? AS PER 300ER!Howard

Thanks Mark,Being PEGASUS kit, is the user manual out of sync with the current FMC build that is going through beta?I noticed in the IRS alignment section of the manual, referring to POS INIT pages there was no GPS reference (GPS is inherent to PEGASUS installations) that can be simply scratchpadded over to the SET IRS POS field? No obvious mention of GPS positions on POS REF page3? Is the aircraft not GPS equipped? (although GPS is integral to PEGASUS of course)There are other little things too such as not noticing an E/O SID mentioned on departure pages etc etc, Thanks in advance for any clarificationJane-Rachel

The recent release of several wonderful aircraft, PSS's Concorde and Flight1's ATR and 727 as good examples, all have very detailed and complete manuals or multiples thereof. In fact too much infomation to wade through at times. (although PSS's Concorde manual shined because of their cleaver use of area diagrams to show you where you need to go on their multipaneled cockpits). This 767 manual excites me because one can immerse themselves in lots of details OR here are the basics and OFF you go!! Wonderful! I will not have to spend literal hours getting to the "let's take off" stuff, it's there in short form as well as more detailed form. Flight1 has learned alot about manual writing over the years, it shows!!And the FMC?? ARE You KIDDING? The level of detail and ability of the FMC blows all prior such attempts away. In fact, it BEGS for an ATC program that will allow detailed STAR arrivals instead of pure vectors. I seem to recall that the newest pending version of Radar Contact may indeed fit this bill!!! Unbelievable..........just (tongue hanging out) ... much keen anticipation here! Bravo Flight1!Randy Jura, KPDX