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VIA Chipset Problem... ATTN ALL GURUS

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Hello,I am posting a new thread to see if anyone has a solution to the CH Products USB Rudders problem. According to CH Products, they want me to buy an Intel Based motherboard / chipset so the USB devices Yoke / Rudders will work properly.Anyone have any ideas? It appears that VIA has about 70+ % of the chipset market.What can we do?Barry

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That's a lousy deal isn't it!I wonder why all the other usb devices I have work fine.I just upgraded to a new via board hoping it would fix the usb problem for good before I new of this issue-it is better-but I still have to every once in a while plug in and out the rudder pedals.http://members.telocity.com/~geof43/Geofdog2.jpg

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I really don't think there is anything anyone can do at this point anymore. Many people I know have this problem, regardless of their motherboard / computer setup... CH needs to give us some REAL drivers regardless if they say you don't need drivers for USB controllers....Cpudan80 :) :+

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We need someone external that is a Driver GURU with a love of Flight Simming to write the correct and working driver. CH Blames VIA and Mircosoft, and Microsoft Blames VIA, and VIA Blames Microsoft.Who knows, maybe CH would OEM them if it worked.It is a Windows XP / VIA issue.Barry

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What is the problem? I have a Soltek 75DRV-5 KT133/133 motherboardwith VIA 4in1 drivers. I have considered buying CH rudderpedals andhas been told to choose the USB version. Is this a bad idea? Is thereany alternative at reasonable prices?

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Yea, I'm puzzled too, I had an Asus A7V-266 and am currently running a Soyo KT333 Platinum and have run my CH Prod USB yoke/pedals fine since the latest Control Manager software came out for XP?Luck!P

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Barry,I'm no guru but I have to tell you I have an ASUS A7V133 running WIN98Second Edition while using both the USB CH FlightSimYoke AND the USB CH rudders for probably close to a year now.I only have one problem and that is if I program the wheelbrakes. I think it is becuase its from overuse, the right pedal brake axis seems over-sensitive. My virtual A&P mechanic is constantly changing my virtual brakepads... :-) Other than that, the rudder axis gets mixed up sometimes, but I think I'm the one who gets mixed up. I reverse the axis and all is fine.My game PC is down right now, secondary HDD failure, not even 1 month past the warranty date! That's why I do not play the lottery.I'll post my system specs after I put the pieces back together. :-)Regards,

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The problem doesn't exist with Windows 98SE. It is just an Windows XP / VIA problem only.So what are we to do?Barry

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You might want to try the support forums at www.viaarena.com and download the latest 4in1 drivers while you're at it.

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Jfri,I would call CH Products Tech Support (www.chproducts.com) and ask them if your motherboard is compatible before plopping down the $200+ to get the USB Yoke and Pedals.The only other USB Yoke and Pedals I know of is PFC, and I think it runs $750-$900 for the Yoke and Pedals. But I bet you they don't have this problem.Barry

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I have posted on that forum as well.If somebody can confirm that the 4in1 drivers solved the problem, I will spend the time. But I think that has been discussed on other threads as NOT solving the problem...Barry

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I have a Asus A7V133 motherboard as well running windows 98SE. VIA 4in1 driver version 4.43. I have no problems now, but I did initially. I have to say this. My next computer will have an Intel chipset.Software story..Bought FS95, in 2000, got hooked, bought FS98, got more hooked, bought FS2000 and got even more hooked, then came the addiction, FS2002.Hardware story:I first bought a Microsoft Force feedback 2 joystick (USB), and guess what? It didn't work with the VIA chipset. Microsoft made a patch. I then bought USB CH pro pedals and plugged them into an open USB port on a PCI card. My USB FF2 joystick, was plugged into a USB port on the motherboard. I had to install the CH control manager for my system to even know what these pedals were, before using them. With out the CH control manager, they will not function properly on my system. All was good, rudder and toe brakes work fine and FF2 joystick worked great.Addiction continued, and I bought a USB CH Pro throttle asm.I now had two USB ports used and two USB ports free, so I plugged them in as follows:Config: Port 1 USB motherboard - FF2 joystick Port 2 USB motherboard - empty Port 1 USB PCI card - CH pedals Port 2 USB PCI card - CH throttle asmInstallation worked fine (with PC powered up). After shutting down the PC and restarting it the next day, now my USB pedals and CH throtle asm did not work. Hmmmmm what the.....If I unplugged then plugged the devices back in (with PC powered up) all was fine once again... Hmmmmmmmmmmm... Every time my PC was restarted, the CH devices did not work... After sometime of trouble shooting, it did this config:Config: Port 1 USB motherboard - FF2 joystick Port 2 USB motherboard - CH throttle asm Port 1 USB PCI card - CH pedals Port 2 USB PCI card - emptyAfter this change, all devices worked fine. I suspect their is some kind of timing issue with the CH devices on power up, which was causing me problems. This setup worked fine until I made my next purchase.... a USB scanner... I only had one USB port left, so not thinking plugged it like this:Config: Port 1 USB motherboard - FF2 joystick Port 2 USB motherboard - CH throttle asm Port 1 USB PCI card - CH pedals Port 2 USB PCI card - ScannerNow my scanner cannot be seen... Hmmmmm So I did this: Port 1 USB motherboard - FF2 joystick Port 2 USB motherboard - CH throttle asm Port 1 USB PCI card - Scanner Port 2 USB PCI card - CH pedalsThis configuration has worked fine and I've had no problems since...It appears the USB pedals some how are causing a timing issue on my USB ports.My only suggestion, try different USB configurations, because, it fixed my problem, and I think the CH pro pedals are the culprit..Try plugging your pedals into your last USB port...Good luck and cheers

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Maybe someone else has tried this?? Did it work?Let me make one more clarification:The problem exists with Windows XP.. Not with Windows 98 SE.Barry

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I have an ASUS A7V266-E mobo and have had them and the CH Yoke plugged in to my USB hub. Worked fine on my setup. The only problem I have isn't software its hardware. The yoke isn't that smooth IMO. I'm still working on it,not real impressed at this point in time.Funny CH would pass blame on VIA. EVERY USB piece of hardware I own works perfect with that chipset. I plug it in,XP recognize's the hardware and away we go. Sounds like CH passing the buck to me...David

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Thanks for the reply.It is definitely CH Products... But according to CH Products Tech Support they are finished as far as trying to figure out the problem. They have exhausted all resources. That's why I appealed to a higher source, some guru that writes drivers and loves Flight Simming>>>Maybe Microsoft will fix it with Direct 10.x??I wonder if anyone has reported this problem to Microsoft??Barry

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FlytheSpitfire is Right!!!!If you plug the pedals into the last port, it worked!!!!!!!I don't understand it, but check it out..I have the NEC four port USB PCI card cost around $20. I disabled my internal USB Ports on the motherboard.One thing though. Use FSUIPC Joystick utility to set the null zone. I set mine to about +4000 -4000. My Pedals will not zero completely, but they are a lot better and using the FSUIPC adjustments made the difference. If you don't have FSUIPC, you can download it at http://www.schiratti.com/dowson.htmlRead the FSUIPC docs regarding the Joystick utility.. I am going to call CH Products tomorrow and report FlytheSpitfire along with my findings..Take care!Barry

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HiI have a VIA MSI MoBo with AMD1800 and WIN XP; CH yoke, throttle and pedals, all USB for a long time and everything works fine.C.M.G.

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CMG,This is not specific to a particular motherboard.. But that is good to know about the MSI Mobo. What VIA chipset does it have? I am going to call CH Products this morning to inform them of the news and would like to relay your board specs as working.But the solution I outlined will be fine. I haven't tested it over long flights etc.. But I sure it will work OK.Barry

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Barry,first of all, it is NOT a VIA problem...I do NOT have a VIA chipset and still have the problem!I have found a temporary solution for this (see my other thread), but CH MUST listen and release proper drivers.Via, Intel, Microsoft have NOTHING to do with this. This is 100% a driver issue and it's CH's responsibility.I will definately NOT buy anything else of CH until they fix this one out. This is the SECOND time they do this. Once with their gameport devices, which finally they DID fix, and now this one.George DorkofikisAthens, Greece

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Hey George,You are right, it is not just a VIA problem.It really applies to potentially every motherboard that does not have an Intel Chipset (VIA, SIS, etc). Not to assume that all VIA motherboards have the problem. Some VIA chipsets on specific motherboards seem to work. But there is no consistancy to isolate the specific problems on specific motherboards. It is hit or miss.CH indicated that they have exhausted all efforts regarding finding a fix. I do agree that it is their problem, but frankly, the bottom line is they don't know how to fix it. So using the Last USB Port in the chain, along with Pete Downson's FSUIPC Joystick Calibration to increase the dead zone is a solution and seems to be a temporary (maybe long term) fix.If you run across a better solution, please share it.. For now, I can go back to enjoying my hobby, WITHOUT having to purchase a new motherboard.Barry

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I run win2k and have never had this problem so i can not comment on XP problems to much but as a computer tech a couple of things I would recommend are 1. Keep you motherboard bios current. This in itself can fix alot of hardware related issues.2. Keep you motherboard drivers current. The new VIA Hyperon drivers are 4.45. They seem fairly stable to me. 3. If all esle fails get a usb hub that is USB 2.0 . 1.0 USB did have it's small share of connections problems and since I have gone to USB 2.0 on my new motherboard I have seen plenty of improvmenets. However these improvements would proboly not be noticable unless you work on computers all the time like I do . 4. Keep ALL software up to date . Most of my clients have never even bothered to update windows. I always see a system running more stable even when just getting a system security update. 5 . Turn off your anti virus scanner from the windows xp task manager so it fully shuts off .6. Get the lastest CH product drivers :)Now see if that helps :) Good luck Capt.Richard Dillon (KATL)www.jetstarairlines.comhttp://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpghttp://jdtllc.com/images/RCsupporter.jpg"Lets Roll" 9/11 -----------------------Specs AMD 2400 XP MSI KTV4 512MB DDR 2100Asus GF4 ti 4200 128MBSB Audigy Gamer Ch Products Yoke and Pedals(usb)Windows 2000 Serivce Pack 3

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Hi BarrySorry the delay but the weekend ...Now the question ... well is a very good question, humm what VIA chipset? well, let's say, Okay! the only thing I know is: it is the latest one!:-)CheersC.M.G.

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>Jfri, >>I would call CH Products Tech Support (www.chproducts.com) >and ask them if your motherboard is compatible before >plopping down the $200+ to get the USB Yoke and Pedals. >Yes of course. But can you describe for me what the problem is?I only know that there is a problem but not what it is. >The only other USB Yoke and Pedals I know of is PFC, and I >think it runs $750-$900 for the Yoke and Pedals. But I bet >you they don't have this problem. >That sounds a little bit to expensive. Flightsimming is not my onlyor even most important interest

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Dumping the XP 2200 and Biostar M7VIP for an Intel based chipset and Pentium 4 2.5 GHZ...Problem solved...Barry

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