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CIVA INS problem (pos entry)

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Hello guysI currently found the joy off flying the old school planes with the old way off navigating.Got the 732 and wanted to do a flight,but ran into some problems :(.I read that you first have to enter your present position(at the gate) in the POS page off the INS.Well,i can get the N entry in it,but it gives me a red light when trying to input the E co

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First, cycle the power on the CIVA unit on and off once, as otherwise the unit won't function properly (this is necessary to overcome a time-expiry bug on the gauge).Then, you need to enter the plane's position while the MSU is on standby, not align. Then you can align the INS after the position entry. You'd normally start with entering waypoint 1, since position 0 is the entry you just made as the plane's starting position.Hope this helps.;)

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Waypoint zero relates to your Present Position, thus it's unnecessary to enter anything into that space. Alignment takes about 15 minutes, however there is a hidden 'fast align' button that shortens the time to just a few minutes. The button is disguised as the top right screw on the MSU.

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Hi,>Then, you need to enter the plane's position while the MSU is>on standby, not align. Then you can align the INS after the>position entry. You can enter the plane's position with selector in stby, align or nav. However, alignment won't continue below an API of 7 until PPOS is set.>Now when i switch the INS selector to WAYPT,there is no entry>in the 0 slot.Is this normal?Or do i have to wait a while for>the INS to align(How long does this take?)?You cannot enter a position in slot 0 because that is the slot of the aircraft's present position. As soon as INS is aligned, that position will be actualized and show the PPOS registered.It is possible to force the update of slot 0 before alignment is finished by doing a WP Change 0-1.Tom

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Ive tried inputting the position in stby , INS powers up i enter the first load of co ords for the position they are fine but i try to select the next waypoint which is W155.234 , BUT it wont let me select West ... at all

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Emma,1. you are clicking "INSERT" after you entered the N or S coordinates?2. You are clicking the number "4" keypad (see the "W" on it) before entering your waypoint longitude?3. I'm not sure but I think the CIVA unit only accepts a position in the "minutes.degrees.seconds" format (W 155.23.4), and seconds are rounded to the nearest single digit? Sorry if you know all this already. Vic

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Strider hunny wud u add me to MSN at all ? ... wetnwildgirl (at) hotmail.co.uk xxx

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>3. I'm not sure but I think the CIVA unit only accepts a>position in the "minutes.degrees.seconds" format (W 155.23.4),>and seconds are rounded to the nearest single digit?>The positions must be inserted as Degrees and minutes, to the nearest tenth of minute. So, for a value of 155.234 degrees, the remainder is extracted (0.234) and multiplied by 60 to obtain the minutes (14.04) then rounded to the nearest tenth (14.0) to obtain the final number of 155140 that will be entered in the position.Hope this helpsTom

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>Strider hunny wud u add me to MSN at all ? ... wetnwildgirl>(at) hotmail.co.uk xxx LOL! not sure I could refuse an invite like that!

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>still no luck :-( ...>>wetnwildgirl@hotmail.co.ukWith the INS or with Strider?? :-lolRegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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>>still no luck :-( ...>>>>wetnwildgirl@hotmail.co.uk>>With the INS or with Strider?? :-lol>>Regards>>Bob Scott>ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V>Santiago de Chile LOL!!! Emma, dear...tell me exactly how you are going about setting up the INS and we'll see if we can't find an answer. It's a complicated piece but mine is working very well and so should yours.

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I'm having the exact same problem as Emma. Anybody find a solution? Can't seem to input the west coordinates despite my best efforts.

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I'm having the exact same problem as Emma. Anybody find a solution? Can't seem to input the west coordinates despite my best efforts.
POS needs to be set up with engines OFF.MSU on STBY.Data Selector switch at POS.Press "N" (or "S"), then input FIVE numbers (eg 40013).... Press "INSERT" (the INSERT light remains lit)....Press "W" (or "E")... press SIX numbers (eg 107534 or 070123) Press INSERT (light should now go out).Turn MSU to ALIGNCommon problems are entering the co-ordinates incorrectly. If you use FS9 Shift-Z to show LAT and LON make sure you are reading the numbers correctly. For N or S you need to enter FIVE numbers. In my example above N40013 represents 40 degrees, 1 (01) minute, and 0.3 of a minute. W107534 represents 107 degrees, 53 minutes, and 0.4 of a minute.If you still have problems post on here EXACTLY the number sequence you are inputting in the INS for the W co-ordinates.

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Then, you need to enter the plane's position while the MSU is on standby, not align. Then you can align the INS after the position entry. Hope this helps.;)
Incorrect!! you can set the MSU directly to align. And in fact if you look at the original Civa manuel and flight manuels of some a/c that used it e.g. VC10 it clearly states to set directly to align. The gauge works exactly as stated on the tin.vololiberista

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Here are a couple of examples of the exact key presses to input your Pos and Wpt co-ordinates.Firstly the INS only accepts the following format: Degs Mins Tenths of Mins. If converting from one format to another gives you a headache this utility in the avsim library is useful. <shift> Z in the sim will show the lat lon in the correct format.Example 1. N44* 31.9997' E7* 37.0003'click on key3 (N) then 44 then 319 then click on <insert>(once only!!! the light stays on)click on key6 (E) then 7 then 37 then 0 click on <insert> the light goes out.So the sequence is: N44319<insert>E7370<insert>Example 2. N51* 28.6500' W0* 27.6833'Here your key sequence is: N51287<insert>W0277<insert>The most common problem is pressing the <insert> key more than once after inputting the latitude.vololiberista

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Example 1. N44* 31.9997' E7* 37.0003'click on key3 (N) then 44 then 319 then click on <insert>(once only!!! the light stays on)click on key6 (E) then 7 then 37 then 0 click on <insert> the light goes out.So the sequence is: N44319<insert>E7370<insert>click on key3 (N) should be key2 obviously. Sorry!!vololiberista

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there is a common pitfall on entering coordinates.. when you have for example 52.1.23 then enter as 52.01.23

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there is a common pitfall on entering coordinates.. when you have for example 52.1.23 then enter as 52.01.23
No full stops!!!! and only tenths of minutes. So, 52.1.23 is entered as N52012<insert>If the 23 was 25 or higher then round up the 2 to 3.vololiberista

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No full stops!!!! and only tenths of minutes. So, 52.1.23 is entered as N52012<insert>If the 23 was 25 or higher then round up the 2 to 3.vololiberista
yes, correct!emphasis is on the leading zero.

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However DO NOT put a leading zero if for example your position is 01 north or south. Or e.g. 007 west or east. ONLY put a leading zero if e.g. you are at 0 east or west.vololiberista

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