January 26, 200719 yr I've been troubleshooting an OUT OF MEMORY error I get when flying the CoolSky Md-80 aircraft. I just discovered an empty TEXTURE folder inside my FS9 Addon Scenery folder. I've no idea why it's there or why I put it there or what it is associated with. I have several addon sceneries including a huge folder for Ultimate Traffic AI.Might this empty TEXTURE folder be causing the OUT OF MEMORY with my MD-80? Can an empty TEXTURE folder like this also cause crashes to desktop? I've had some of those recently as well, just out of the blue (no pun intended!), although I think i've solved that issue (hopefully).Appreciate any suggestions, info, etc., thanks.JS Jonathan Sacks Dell XPS Gen 4, Pentium IV Northwood extreme 3.8Ghz, 3Ghz RAM, eVGA 7900 GTO, 12 GoFlight modules plus MCP-PRO AP and EFIS, GF pedestal, CH rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, 42" LG LED, 24" DELL LCD, Windows XP, FS2004, FSUIPC 3.96 FS Autostart 1.1 (Build 11), FS Navigator 4.6, UT, FE, GE, REX, PMDG, Level-D, PSS, etc.
January 26, 200719 yr I don't have any empty folders...the MD80 still eats my ram fast. Sorry to say but this discovery may not be the cure for all your problems. JasonFAA CPL SEL MEL IR CFI-I MEI AGI
January 26, 200719 yr Author Hmmm, that would be too bad.It is bizarre and unsettling how the -80 does chew RAM up and swallow it, isn't it? I just don't get it. So far, and sadly for me, nor does anybody else ! JS Jonathan Sacks Dell XPS Gen 4, Pentium IV Northwood extreme 3.8Ghz, 3Ghz RAM, eVGA 7900 GTO, 12 GoFlight modules plus MCP-PRO AP and EFIS, GF pedestal, CH rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, 42" LG LED, 24" DELL LCD, Windows XP, FS2004, FSUIPC 3.96 FS Autostart 1.1 (Build 11), FS Navigator 4.6, UT, FE, GE, REX, PMDG, Level-D, PSS, etc.
January 26, 200719 yr >Might this empty TEXTURE folder be causing the OUT OF MEMORY>with my MD-80? In a word...yes. It's a well-known FS9 bug...an empty texture directory is going to cause FS9 to leak memory.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 26, 200719 yr >>Hmmm, that would be too bad.>>It is bizarre and unsettling how the -80 does chew RAM up and>swallow it, isn't it? I just don't get it. So far, and sadly>for me, nor does anybody else ! >>JSyup...nothing we can do about it though...glad I don't like MD80s much I can just forget about it. JasonFAA CPL SEL MEL IR CFI-I MEI AGI
January 27, 200719 yr Author Bob:Can I just safely delete such a folder without risking a crash elsewhere in the sim?JS Jonathan Sacks Dell XPS Gen 4, Pentium IV Northwood extreme 3.8Ghz, 3Ghz RAM, eVGA 7900 GTO, 12 GoFlight modules plus MCP-PRO AP and EFIS, GF pedestal, CH rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, 42" LG LED, 24" DELL LCD, Windows XP, FS2004, FSUIPC 3.96 FS Autostart 1.1 (Build 11), FS Navigator 4.6, UT, FE, GE, REX, PMDG, Level-D, PSS, etc.
January 27, 200719 yr >>I've been troubleshooting an OUT OF MEMORY error I get when>flying the CoolSky Md-80 aircraft. I just discovered an empty>TEXTURE folder inside my FS9 Addon Scenery folder. I've no>idea why it's there or why I put it there or what it is>associated with. I have several addon sceneries including a>huge folder for Ultimate Traffic AI.>>Might this empty TEXTURE folder be causing the OUT OF MEMORY>with my MD-80? >>Can an empty TEXTURE folder like this also cause crashes to>desktop? I've had some of those recently as well, just out of>the blue (no pun intended!), although I think i've solved that>issue (hopefully).>>Appreciate any suggestions, info, etc., thanks.>>JSYes..yes..yes.I have the same issue. The MD-80. I moved it to FSX and I have been unable to fly it. I have one of those memory display program I have 2 Gigs. when I change over to the 2D I can see he memory utilzed go from 1.6G to 1.99 and then... pop up. Out of Memory.what I don; get is...what the heck is wrong with Win XP... Whats all tha bull about VM etc. F1 MD-80 consumes a lot of memory.Manny Manny Beta tester for SIMStarter
January 27, 200719 yr >>>Might this empty TEXTURE folder be causing the OUT OF MEMORY>>with my MD-80? >>In a word...yes. It's a well-known FS9 bug...an empty texture>directory is going to cause FS9 to leak memory.>>Regards>>Bob Scott>ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V>Santiago de ChileYou're kidding right? The default install of FS9 includes an empty texture directory in Addon Scenery, doesn't it? And I've never had any issues at all from it.~John
January 27, 200719 yr >>Bob:>>Can I just safely delete such a folder without risking a crash>elsewhere in the sim?>>JSYes...not only can you delete it, but you should delete (or rename) it.Of course there may be an ugly memory leak issue in the panel code as well. From the others with the same problem I'd guess there's more going on.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 27, 200719 yr The empty texture directory issue, as far as I know, is only an FS9 thing. If you're having troubles in FSX it's probably something else.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 27, 200719 yr >You're kidding right? The default install of FS9 includes an>empty texture directory in Addon Scenery, doesn't it? And>I've never had any issues at all from it.No, not kidding. Do some searching on the various sim forums and you'll find a long rabbit trail.If you fly relatively short flights (i.e. 2 hrs or less), and don't load up with other add-ons, you can leak memory for hours and never see the problem. But try it with a complex add-on like the PMDG on an 8-hr flight, and you'll see the problem.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 27, 200719 yr >You're kidding right? No, he isn't.It's indeed an FS9 bug. Empty texture folders can cause troubles Location: Vleuten, The Netherlands, 17.3dme SPL 108.40 | Simulator: FS2024 System: AMD 7800X3D - Gigabyte X670 - RTX 4090 - 64GB DDR5 - 2 x 2TB SSD - 32" 1440p Display - Windows 11 Pro
January 27, 200719 yr Author Sorry, but from the dialogue above, I am still not clear about this empty TEXTURE folder in FS9: can I safely delete it or not?Thanks!JS Jonathan Sacks Dell XPS Gen 4, Pentium IV Northwood extreme 3.8Ghz, 3Ghz RAM, eVGA 7900 GTO, 12 GoFlight modules plus MCP-PRO AP and EFIS, GF pedestal, CH rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, 42" LG LED, 24" DELL LCD, Windows XP, FS2004, FSUIPC 3.96 FS Autostart 1.1 (Build 11), FS Navigator 4.6, UT, FE, GE, REX, PMDG, Level-D, PSS, etc.
January 27, 200719 yr JS,You stated that you had an empty texture folder in Addon Scenery. I presume this is a stand alone texture folder that would normally go with a stand alone scenery folder in addon scenery. I have both in my addon scenery folder along with named addon scenery folders. Both the stand alone scenery and texture folders have contents.Now each named addon scenery folder can also contain a scenery folder with files along with a texture folder with .bmp files. I also have named addon scenery folders with ONLY a scenery folder. Textures that make those sceneries work are contained in the stand alone Texture folder.The empty texture folders that I have found in my sim were empty texture folders within named addon scenery folders. I have deleted those folders.You hesitate to delete it. Ask yourself what you are deleting? Nothing correct. If you want, I suppose you could move it to documents and keep it there until you convince yourself that it is ok.Daryll
January 27, 200719 yr Author OK, Daryll, that was in fact my exact thought--I just needed somebody with more experience than myself to validate it! I shall try this shortly and see if any diff.Thanks for your post.JS Jonathan Sacks Dell XPS Gen 4, Pentium IV Northwood extreme 3.8Ghz, 3Ghz RAM, eVGA 7900 GTO, 12 GoFlight modules plus MCP-PRO AP and EFIS, GF pedestal, CH rudder pedals, CH throttle quadrant, 42" LG LED, 24" DELL LCD, Windows XP, FS2004, FSUIPC 3.96 FS Autostart 1.1 (Build 11), FS Navigator 4.6, UT, FE, GE, REX, PMDG, Level-D, PSS, etc.
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