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Vent on...So there I was with all my addons, everything configured nicely, this weekend, wanting to do a flight. One try, two tries, three tries, followed all by CTDs, errors, blah blah... Whatever I thought, I will reinstall, with most important addons, JUST so I can do a flight. ONLY THAT. Nothing else. So I installed FS9, updated it, FSGenesis mesh, LevelD, PMDG 737, 747, FE, GEPro, FSUIPC...nothing special. Yesterday evening, there I was, flying from EGLL to LGAV - "ran out of memory", like #####?!? Swapping up to 3gb, 2gb RAM... Tried again, there we go, same thing. Reinstalled PMDG, no difference!!As expensive as my computer is, I am really coming to the end of having patience for PCs and Windows, and stupid MICRO$OFT!!!"

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Sounds to me like you're frustrated having spent a lot of money on that rig and its not running well. May be its one of your add-ons. Or is your memory from the Motherboard prefered supplier list...being an Asus they can be very particular in their compatibility with memory sticks.I have a similar systemASUS P5N32-E Sli 680iX6800 OCZ 2GB PC2-8500 (1066MHz)Dual 8800GTXIt runs FS2004 as smooth as silk on glass.The only add-ons I use are Horizon VFR Mesh and Scenery.No payware aircraft!!RegardsJim

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It was running well before. I have just been testing for last hour now, and it comes up its only one PMDG aircraft/livery. Others work fine... 737-700 British Airways, my VA colors and I usually fly 700, so I guess now I have to find out why.But what pains me that after some time, after you tweak it just a little bit, it gets to the point where you start getting different errors, crashes and stuff - read first part of the story...Anyway, thanks.

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Hey Word Not Allowed....My hard drive died recently and I've worked on PC's and software for 20 years now. I didn't see it coming. I know your frustration.One thing to look at with the OOM errors is the tool Filemon. Look to see if MSFS is "hunting" for textures. I kept running out of memory and it drove me crazy. One add-on I had placed textures in the "wrong" folder. MSFS still found them, but the process of always hunting brought zapped all my memory, especially over the course of an hour or so. Hope this can help.... It's worth a try.-John

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>Sounds to me like you're frustrated having spent a lot of>money on that rig and its not running well. May be its one of>your add-ons. Or is your memory from the Motherboard prefered>supplier list...being an Asus they can be very particular in>their compatibility with memory sticks.>>I have a similar system>>ASUS P5N32-E Sli 680i>X6800 >OCZ 2GB PC2-8500 (1066MHz)>Dual 8800GTX>>It runs FS2004 as smooth as silk on glass.>>The only add-ons I use are Horizon VFR Mesh and Scenery.>No payware aircraft!!>>Regards>>JimHate to break it to ya Jimmy, your REALLY missing out.

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Thanks for the rant.....guess I'm not alone.....I actually feel better now ;-) Ironically, I thought this was the wrong forum.......hope some people are listening..................?Regards, KendallDell 8400 3.2 GHZ H.T.800 FSB/2MB L22 GB 533 DDR2X800XT 256MB/Catalyst driver - 6.12's6x EATM AA/16x HQ A/FDiamond Xtreme/Logitech X-530'sDual Monitor: Dell 2405/1905CH Yoke/Pedals

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Guys, thanks for your replies, nice to know that one is not alone. John, I already did go with Filemon, I didn't see it hunting for anything specific, but must be honest, didn't even look really really hard - in the end, it IS long. Huge.So, I reinstalled FS9 "again", and now the error "seems" to be gone. Let's hope and keep fingers crossed.

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Word Not Allowed,nay, you're not alone. I'll keep my story short: /vent onnothing --NOTHING-- helped with stutters on my rig. Replaced virtually everything, reinstalled a few times, tweaked, tweaked and tweaked, went through that huge Win XP guide to set up the system properly, had a session with Michael... well, stutters were still there. Then my RAID0 array went south and I had to reinstall everything again for the Nth time. I'm quite ready to take a sledge hammer and try repairs with that. :)Well, I am building a new rig now and hopefully it will behave better. But just the thought of installing FS9 again with all the addons, tweaks and whatnot makes me sick. /vent offRegards,Jure

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"ran out of memory",>like #####?!? Swapping up to 3gb, 2gb RAM... Just curious, are you running the FS2004 9.1 patch or just the install off the CD? The 9.0 version had a very bad memory leak in it which would cause you to lose memory over the course of the flight, thus running out of ram eventually. The 9.1 fixed this.I built a new rig for my simulator about a month ago, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 gigs of ram, SATA drive, SLI premium motherboard, PCIe 16x video card and I was getting 10fps in some cases at the end of a flight. Couldn't figure out for the life of me why. Then it dawned on me that I hadn't updated to 9.1.Installed the 9.1 patch and now have no issues.If you aren't running FS2004 version 9.1, then check out this post on my blog for the URL to the patch.http://mycessnasim.blogspot.com/2007/03/vf...rame-rates.htmlIf you are running 9.1 and getting CTD's etc I would recommend first try running a memory checker like memtest from http://www.memtest.org/ which, you will honestly start at 8Pm at night and wake up at 8am the next morning to find it just finishing. But it's the most through test of memory I've ever seen.Try 9.1 patch. If that doesn't help (or you are running 9.1) try memtest. Those are two simple tests to start with. From there I would check the motherboard/hardware aspects and as a last resort backup the hard drive, reformat, reinstall Windows, reinstall FS2004, update to 9.1 and test it for a week. Then add one addon, test for a couple days. Add another addon, test for a couple days, etc.Hope that helps.Good luck!

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Running 9.1.The point is, up until now, FS9 was working fine, but on the new hardware, I didn't test it thoroughly. So it seems that errors started appearing now.I will do a memtest overnight. Thanks for the suggestion.

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I understand your frustration. The reason I am putting up with FSX despite its performance issues is that it is more stable. Never had a crash with FSX so far. With FS9 I experienced more or less what you described. ==Marten:Weber==P-D920 3.3MHz 2GB RAM WinXP ATI X1900+1024MB 2xSATA250 2xVIEWSONIC 19"author of http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?FileName=bbgrfs.zipscreens on http://s141.photobucket.com/albums/r45/abulaafia/

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We may think we're really that smart, but in the end the totally screwed up FS install gets us anyway. It's a good admission.What I love is these conversations:"I took cyanide and died.""I haven't ever had any problems with cyanide.""You must have taken it wrong.""Something must be wrong with your system.""Ever since I started eating Yogurt cyanide doesn't affect me.""It must be your brand of cyanide."

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>So I installed FS9, updated it ....Sounds like he updated to 9.1 already.I had a CTD on approach to Fort Lauderdale last night. I wanted to scream!!-Brad

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Ruined my Logitech Revolution almost once... Was so furious, was landing on 6hr flight, and CTD on approach, almost threw the mouse into the wall. 100

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A simple methodical approach would lower your blood pressure and save you doctor bills. Instead of focusing on getting though your flight, focus on troubleshooting the problem.1 - You should be trying to figure out the location where FS9 gives you the OOM errors. My experience has been that it will occur in the exact same areas every single time. On my system it was the area between Boston and Putnam Mass...only flying from Europe to the USA.2 - You first should try the flight WITHOUT GEPro as this seems to be your only scenery texture add-on. Also have you updated GEPro to the latest version?Nope, I don't hate MS or FS9 because the fault lies with neither, it lies with one of your add-ons and Microsoft didn't make them.

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I too used to get unexplainable CTD's in certain areas under certain flight conditions. Flying west to east over Idaho,...flying into Atlanta from the west,...or anywhere near Frankfurt,Germany used to cause CTD's about 80% of the time. I never found out why, but about one year ago I had some problems with Windows XP and ran the Repair disc that comes with the program. Before I did this I uninstalled all none Windows programs, including FS9 of course. After reinstalling everything just like I had it before repairing Windows I have yet to have a CTD under any condition in FS9. I do use a lot of a/c add-ons but very little else except for mesh and weather.So I can't blame FS9, nor MS for causing CTD's. Since the re-install I have kept my PC "cleaner" then I used too. I do weekly Registery cleaning, delete any program that I do not need and de-frag consistently. Maybe that did it....maybe not. But, it's working fine for me.......for now.John M

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Mike, thanks for your suggestion, I already started suspecting GEPro. Right now I am doing installs, one by one, and testing in between. Sooner or later it will pop up again and then I will know.Only thing I know is, it is not an aircraft and it is not FSGenesis mesh. Those never caused ANY problems. Only recent stuff. Though I also had many successful flights with GEPro. Will test some more...

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Word Not Allowed:What I did find is that GEPro doesn't play nicely sometimes. I don't get the OOM issues anymore but I used a tool to go though all of the scenery files (FSSCNERY, I think) and make sure they were all fine. At one point I unistalled GEPRO and installed BEV and flew over the same area and I had no issue (hmmm.). I also tried GEPRO without FSGENESIS Mesh and I still had the CTD due to OOM. Also, upgrading my video driver also seemed to make GEPRO less blurry in very dense areas. I'm currently flying back from EGKK to KEWR and have to fly over the usual area that cause my old OOM error so we shall see if I get the error again since I've long since loaded back all of my addons including GEPRO. Good luck though!

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Found the pesky bugger!!!!It was the new Sandon Lyon Real Sky V3 Extra Edition. Load that one into the system, and it takes 45min for FS to grow from a normal load of 550-600mb of load to 1100mb and eventually crash with OOM. No matter what aircraft.

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I to had this problem also.........then i read some pc tweaking tips found in this forum somewhere cant remember where! what i did was increased my virtual memory! I guess pc's at defualt dont perform at there full potential and virtual memory being a key setting that is set low by defualt so windows has room to run multiple apps. I set mine from defualt like 600 or something to 3100 and everything from fs2004 to general apps run faster....I dont know try it and see what happens.....worked for me!AMD ATHLON 3200+60 GB HARD DRIVEATI X700 256MB2 GB RAMEVERYTHING MAXED OUT AND WITH COMPLEX ADD-ON'S (PMDG 747) I AM STILL GETIING 30+FPS

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Thanks for your suggestion, although I must say, I was running FS without ANY swapping since I had 2gb. And it crashed ONLY if I would exaggerate with other programs. If I would keep it to the minimum while flying, no problem whatsoever. My FS keeps it usage at around 550-700mb max when flying, depending what scenery and what aircraft. So with 2gigs of RAM, it MUST go through. If it ain't, well then there's an error somewhere. Simple as that.

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Just for your info, since it seems like you found the culprit, another thing that can cause memory leaks in FS9 is Landclass bgls in a scenery that includes textures. They should be in folders that only have a scenery sub folder.

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