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Ariane BBJ - still a bad product?

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hiI have been thinking of buying the Ariane BBJ and have ran across little luck as far as a review in the English language - with the exception of one that was written in Jan 07 on another Flightsim webpage.Anyone on here bought the product? From the little I can find as far as comments have said that its a waste of money, don't buy it, or its to buggy for example.Zach Bender K7LTF

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I was pretty much made fun of when I asked if this was worth buying so maybe that'll give you an idea :(

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You best save your money for something worth the cost.

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>I dont think it's the product, its more like the company...>But yes, save your money.Pretty sure it's the product. I had the Southwest 737NG after some people here actually made rave claims about it compared to PMDG and LDS. The VC was slightly better looking than a default MS VC, the FMC was a 2D window only, the activation online didn't work and had to be done via e-mail which took a whole weekend, the plane handles like the MS default Cessna 172, the sounds were horrendous and more than unrealistic, the AP flew as poorly as the default MS logic does (zig-zagging on ILS, pitching up and down to capture speed), and many things that are included in any add-on nowadays weren't even modeled, such as pressurization. A few people mentioned disputing the charges on their CC after such a big let down and not being able to get a refund. I used a debit, so I was screwed. The whole POS was on my system for 2 weeks.

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You might what to look into the Feelthere/Wilco A320, It has a BBJ varient.Dave F.

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Chris, off topic, but what kind of performance do you get in FS on your system? We both have very similar issues. In the PMDG, I get about 16-20 in the VC. Starting to wonder if I'm having performance issues. What about you?

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>You might what to look into the Feelthere/Wilco A320, It has>a BBJ varient.>>Dave F.BBJ = Boeing Business Jet. There is no BBJ in the Wilco AIRBUS package. Arguably, there isn't much of an Airbus there, either.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Yeah, that sounds about right. I don't fly from the VC in airliners because I like to fly by the numbers, and it's difficult to see enough of the detail in the gauges to do it. When I use the VC for taxi around a semi-busy airport, it drops pretty low however. The VC performs fine at cruise altitude, but so do all my VCs. I'm building a new system next month to hopefully get the performance out of FS9 that I feel I should've been getting all along.

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Well, it may depend on the amount of traffic you run as well as other factors. I've done everything possible to get the most out of my system in FS9. My traffic is usually set between 30 - 50% with UT on. If I have WOAI running then I can increase it to 100%, but it doesn't seem to make a difference too much using WOAI if I lower the traffic to even 30%.Also, I'm using Flight Environment or Active Sky's Graphics to display 3D cloud textures. In FE I choose the lower resolution clouds in DXT format. In ASG I have it set to 128x128 and DXT. I think they look absolutely fine this way and I can still have a fair amount of clouds without too much performance loss. In certain conditions with lots of thunderstorm clouds, I can lose a lot of FPS though. I'd say the two biggest killers are AI and 3D clouds.I have my sim sliders set to medium or high. The worst setting I'm forced to have is autogen. It's set to normal. I'm hoping the new computer allows for dense because that really makes a difference IMO. The traffic is fine at a lower percent since the sim can't handle too much anyhow. I just want full autogen and the ability to fly through major storm clouds without dropping too far below 20 FPS. I'm locked right now at 24 and only occasionally drop below 15, mostly in really cloudy/rainy/grey conditions.

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They are a horrible company...and oh please, the person who brought up Papa Tango...oh does that goes way back!Buying that over priced junk is like funding terrorism!

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Sounds like we're in the same boat. I fly vatsim no matter what, so thats where all my traffic is.We use the same cloud's. FE or ASG. Currently, I have a sweet set of ASG clouds installed that look really sweet. Check out my screenshots in the ss forum. :)Hopefully with a new computer Ill be able to crank it up... :)

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I'm a BBJ owner since 2 months. Have quit flying my PMDG in favourof the Ariane mainly because of- Very good VC. Fantastic night-interior. Lots of lighting options.- Very nice flying characteristics. No problem to handfly.- Fantastic looking plane. One of the best I've ever seen.- Fantastic sound. - Nice gimmicks. (FA-Panel, BBJ-Passenger Cabin-Interior, "TV-Screen", carpets, navlights visible on the tarmac, wingflex, pushback-truck, icing windows when window heat off and so on...)- Framerates are OK.Downsides are- Fmc not nearly as comfortable as the PMDG's. Sometimesneed to use workarounds to get things done. FIX-Page not existant. HOLD not available. I don't say the FMC is unusable-have to get used to it, though.- A/T not independent from A/P except for T/O where you can use the T/O-Button.- ND/PFD-Refesh-Rate slow. Some say it's unusable in this state. Don't agree. However, takes some time to get used to it. Workarounds are the so-called 2di-Mode or PMDG-like clicking a VC-gauge that then turns into a 2D-gauge with full refresh-rate.- Heard that autoland has issues with idling A/T (and subsequent problems ;-)). Have not tested myself, though.- No forum support available. Waiting for 4 weeks now to become available again. :-(- Airac updates not available. Must use March 07.- Expensive.Cannot confirm problems with G/S capturing. No problems so far with ILS.OT:Sorry, linking an Avsim-article from 1999 as an argument not to purchase the BBJ in 2007 is quite unfair IMHO since Tishma is no longer affiliated to Ariane.Regards,Ralf

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Buy the PMDG 737. There is a freeware BBJ addon for the PMDG that is available in the file library. pmdg_bbjmil.zipAnother option is Project Open Sky. I think they had a BBJ freeware model.Marty

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I have the wilco 320 - i'll take a look for the variant ThanksZach Bender K7LTF

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The autothrottle can't be separated from the autopilot? Holy crud. Sounds like money well spent to me. :-roll

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you have me beat by just a bit. I started with FS version 2.1 for the PCZach Bender K7LTF

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Does the light systems for the cabin - flightdeck / and navigation (strobes / landing work correctly?Zach Bender K7LTF

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Yes.However, there's a bug when sometimes the strobe-switch marking is getting interchanged with the outer-left marking.Don't know when they're going to fix this...Got to be patient as an Ariane-user.

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