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I DLed POSKY's 767-200 but was disappointed to find no VC :(Are there any others out there? Or Is there another model that is close? (like an Airbus BlahBlahBlah or what have you...)

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Pffff.... luckily you downloaded it for free, nada.Imaging what would happen if you paid for it....Posky models are among the best in the business.If you want a 767 with a VC, grab your wallet and buy the one of LevelD.

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Whats the world coming to when FREEWARE developers wont give us LVLD and PMDG quality interiors?? it's an outrage!

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>Whats the world coming to when FREEWARE developers wont give>us LVLD and PMDG quality interiors?? it's an outrage! LOL.RegardsErnie.

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Alright, I'm going to assume that was in jest, or that some how my statement was misconstrued as derogatory.I didn't feel it necessary to compose an 18 page laudatory dissertation of all the positive aspects of OpenSky or their products before positing a question.The only "con" among many "pros" that I saw in this model was the absence of a "Virtual Cockpit", as this is how I prefer to fly aircraft in FS9.Since virtual cockpits are NOT uncommon in the various freeware aircraft I have downloaded I was somewhat surprised.I am not trying to get involved in anyway with, shall we say, the "passionate debate" of the merits of one school of simulation thought over another, or of one developer v another, or of freeware v payware.All I wanted to know was as follows:A) are there any 767 out there with a VC (partially answered "LevelD" - next question here would be "does anyone know this aircraft, and would they recomend it?"and :( what other airliners would be considered the real life "competitor's equivalent" of the Boeing 767-200, and can anyone suggest an FS9 model for that?

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A matter of perspectives...Seems you folks knew something I didn't, I shall illustrate.Along with all the usual credits in the downloads "readme" it says the following..."Install: Just unzip the file and send the Aircrafts folder to the FS2004 AIRCRAFT FOLDER."And that's all... no other instructions. Lo and behold I took a peek now at the directory and realize there is an EFFECTS folder, a FAQ folder, and a SCENERIOS folder...When I installed it last night, I did exactly as I was "told" in the readme. Now I'll go back and install the effects and scenerios, and have a look at the FAQ. >_

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The LevelD 767 is highly regarded and highly recommended by a lot of professional reviewers, as well as individual comments in various forums. You cannot find a better and more detailed 767 at this point.I have it myself and love it.Pat

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>Alright, I'm going to assume that was in jest, or that some>how my statement was misconstrued as derogatory.>I guess it was indeed your tone.Anyway the payware LevelD 767 has a good VC, plus a pretty accurate system rendering and FMC.Without exception every user will tell it's the best around and one of the best add-ons available for FS9.Check http://www.leveldsim.com/sevensix_home.asp for more info. Since it is an Flight1 release, I think it has an 30days money back garantuee, so if you don't like it, you can 'return' it.Be advised: LevelD is an 767-300 and not a 200.

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To answer your question in a normal manner, you might want to check out the Overland Boeing package: http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.p...roducts_id=2032.It comes with a B763, with great VC and panel. Dozens and dozens of liveries are available, add a soundset from the library and you're good to go. As a bonus you get a wide variety of other Boeings as well. And if you're interested, why not look at their Airbus package: http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.p...roducts_id=2031.Wide variety, VCs, panels, plenty of liveries in the library, etc...And a good price.;-)

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This is the sort of answer I was hoping for - and I've had a look, very nice from the screen shots, and at about $30 you get alot of aircraft there.Now the levelD porduct also looks very good - too good in fact, it looks like it converts FS2004 into a 767 *trainer* O_OI was hoping for something that had it's behavior more inline with the 737 and 747 that came *with* FS9.Would you say that the Overland Boeings are more along the lines of the default aircraft, or the prototype?Would you be willing to post a screen shot of their 767-300's VC?

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>This is the sort of answer I was hoping for - and I've had a>look, very nice from the screen shots, and at about $30 you>get alot of aircraft there.>>Now the levelD porduct also looks very good - too good in>fact, it looks like it converts FS2004 into a 767 *trainer* >O_O>>I was hoping for something that had it's behavior more inline>with the 737 and 747 that came *with* FS9.>>Would you say that the Overland Boeings are more along the>lines of the default aircraft, or the prototype?>>Would you be willing to post a screen shot of their 767-300's>VC?there like default system level wise if you want it cheaper get it at fspilotshop for $26.00 dollars that's a #### of a good price for all those planes. http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=972 overlands site there working on a update to there planes for fs2004 and fsx. http://www.overland.co.jp/english/sms/w-airlines.html

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Here's a shot of the 763 VC, zoomed out, if you want to see something up close, let me know.Copy and paste to a new tab/window, because it's too big for the boards and I didn't want to resize.http://users.telenet.be/mike-online/763VC.jpg

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>I was hoping for something that had it's behavior more inline>with the 737 and 747 that came *with* FS9.Then get the Overland Package.

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Well then I think I will go with Overland.I would say in conclusion that the POSKY 767 is a great plane, in fact given it's "real world" dynamics I am surprised at how well I handle it, being a Heavy novice.Took a flight from Harrisburg to Miami last night, no troubles. I did land a bit hard (front wheels on the main gear bounced up, tho the rear ones appeared to stay on the pavement) I didn't get the lift I thought I would during the flare... And dispite the negative opinions of it's taxing performance, I had no trouble navigating it on the ground.The two big things I found were that it was hard to FIND the manual on the website, and the readme file was misleading. There's also conflicting info on the VC. There's credit for it in the CFG file, even tho it's not there, and on the website there are references to it "being released later" but it appears that the plane was released in 2005, so I'm thinking it's not coming...Too bad, because if it was there, I'd likely stick with it.

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Well, please keep in mind that we never promised a virtual cockpit, and afterall, we made this aircraft for FREE.Now, back on topic..The 767v4 series were going to have a virtual cockpit included, and we were going to use the virtual cockpit made by Rafal Bajorek, and when he said it was completed.. he vanished and we never heard from him again. We never had his source files and so we were unable to compile any virtual cockpits... and this was back in July 2006.Later that year the author of the 767v4 series, Albert Bouwman left POSKY to form Commercial Level Sims and he never gave us the source files for the 767v4 series, so model updates by POSKY was impossible.The readme files, I admit, are all basically the same.. they should be updated per each aircraft but for some reason they aren't... so some things on the readme might actually be incorrect.

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Thanks Nicholas for all of your hard work, freely given to all of us. I'd heard a little bit about the problems that POSKY has had but it sounds even worse than I thought. Keep up the good work. We appreciate it. R-

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Oh no no, I wasn't mad that it wasn't there, it was just something that I wanted was all.Believe me, documentation is one of my duties at work and I know how easy it is for it to be written so that only someone who already knows can understand it AND how *hard* it is to keep each and every file up to date. Some days I'd rather hit myself in the crotch with a hammer then face a round of documentation updates!!!On the other hand, the "manual" is great - well written, good diagrams, etc. But it was a little hard to find. I guess if I had been around POSKY for a long time, I'd have known where to look, but as a noob I basically ran into them by accident. (being in the 767 folder and there being a seperate 767v4 folder I honestly didn't think anything in the 767 folder would apply to the 767v4)My love of the VC did lead me to drop some $$$ on a 767, but I'm 100% for the whole idea of POSKY and wish you all nothing but the best.

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Well maybe one day in the future with the next versions of FS, importing a VC into an aircraft is fully possible.It is possible with FSX, however the VC has to be compiled in a specific way with the FSX SDK as with the exterior model.. That's the rumor, but I've never tried it because I don't have FSX (I know it will run like crap on my computer, so there's no bother to get it) and I hear the FSX SDK is rather painful to use... so I'll just keep waiting...But companies like iFly had a really good 747 panel that could be used with any model, so it's only a matter of time when FS will be able to do the same with virtual cockpits... it would be so much easier to have a great company doing an exterior model (like Project Open Sky), another doing a VC (like RFP) and have them be able to become integrated with eachother or any other model combination...One day.. (Doesn't MS read this forum? :D)

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Dear sir,Well, I for one found out from their website that there was no 2d or virtual flight deck before even downloading it. That in itself would have saved you a few mins of your time and frustration. And, a good search of the various fs sites would have also helped you in your search for a VC. Do a little research before posting; it sure can do you wonders.Respectfully,Ken L.

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So Nicholas Wilkinson of POSKY admits that some readme's can be wrong,therefor what's the point of including them. This might be freewarebut craftsmen ensure their work is correct. I'm fed up downloadingPOSKY aircraft that won't install properly, i.e. no cockpit, and I'mnot on my own with this. I'm no longer a POSKY fan even if it's free !!

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>So Nicholas Wilkinson of POSKY admits that some readme's can>be wrong,>therefor what's the point of including them. This might be>freeware>but craftsmen ensure their work is correct. I'm fed up>downloading>POSKY aircraft that won't install properly, i.e. no cockpit,>and I'm>not on my own with this. I'm no longer a POSKY fan even if>it's free !!:-eek Please provide a link as to what you have done for the fightsim community.

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Ed, your reply is irrelevant, what I am pointing out is there are problems with released POSKY downloads, and I and others are fedup trying to install them. I respect the skills of developers butplease make sure the product is right and that readme's are understandable, surely this is common sense and applies across theboard. There again if there were no problems this forum could becomeredundant !Regards E'fox

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>Ed, your reply is irrelevant, what I am pointing out is there>are problems with released POSKY downloads, and I and others>are fed>up trying to install them. I respect the skills of developers>but>please make sure the product is right and that readme's are>understandable, surely this is common sense and applies across>the>board. There again if there were no problems this forum could>become>redundant !>Regards E'fox>WHAT!!!!Hey I know..... Don't download them. Then you wont have "problems" installing them!

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