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CH Products Control Manager Unstable in FS9?

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(ADMIN: This is not a hardware issue so I'm posting in this forum -- apologies if I'm not correct.)I just spent the better part of 2 days trying to get my CH Products Flight Yoke, throttle quad and pro pedals back to flying status using CH Control Manager in my FS9. (I started using CH's Control Manager quite successfully several months ago as the alternative to my registered FSUIPC, which I couldn't get to work right with the reverser command.) I made one change in my Windows XP control panel on Sunday night to make the yoke the primary controller so that I could assign a "next" button for my FDC Live Cockpit, and that set off a maddening chain of events that kept me on the ground for that whole time. I lost many of the assignments I had made in FS9 and no matter what I did either in the sim itself or CH Control Manager, one change seemed to mess up 5 other things! I installled, uninstalled, assigned and reassigned countless times -- even replacing the original .map file I had thoughtfully backed up didn't work! (And FDC Live Cockpit never did see my controller -- but that's a completely separate and manageable issue.)I finally got things so I could at least fly again last night by deleting the pedals from Control Manager and running them outside of the software, but even then I still need to recalibrate and desensitize my yoke and throttles.Is this common? What the heck am I doing wrong? I'm afraid to do anything now that involves my flight controls!! God forbid I ever have to rearrange my USB cables again -- I think would just hang myself at that point.

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For what it is worth I followed the advice on the FSUIPC forum and didnt install the CH sofware;unassigned all joystick axes in FS9; select "disconnect joystick" in the FS9 menu; and assign everything through FSUIPC.It took a while to set it all up, but works like a charm. Dont have to worry about disconnecting the usb connectors either. Fsuipc remembers everything.Peter

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Peter:Do you have all three pieces from CH products? Yoke, throttle quad and pedals?TIA.

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Chuck. yes I do. Recent aquisitions and they have transformed my simming. As I said above I use FSUIPC to assign everything. I have the joystick "disconnected" in the FS9 menu and the whole kit works like a dream.Peter

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Thanks, guys. It's all very frustrating -- I'm aware of the FSUIPC techniques, but again, I've had serious problems getting it to control reversers for my throttle quads -- it won't do it. Using the technique outlined this thread was the only way I could get reversers to work on my system. << http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...&topic_id=25470 >>I had the Saitek yoke and throttles for a little while -- I wonder if this has thrown FSUIPC off kilter some way, even though I have deleted (supposedly) all traces of the Saitek yoke.This appears to be some sort of peculiarity unique to my system and set up, and that you guys aren't experiencing my problems. I was afraid of that.

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Hello ChuckTry deleting your FSUIPC.ini, that will get FSUIPC back to a clean slate.

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and also dont install the CH software......if you are using FSUIPC you dont need it. Can only comlicate things.

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See previous posts: I had to install CH months ago because FSUIPC wouldn't recognize the reverse thrust command from the indent on my throttle quad.I'm going to delete the CH software yet again tomorrow morning and try starting from scratch with just FSUIPC. This will only be about the 6th time -- What's the definition of 'insanity'? Repeating the same thing over and over, expecting different results. :-)

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I use the yoke pedals and throttle with ch manager with no issues.I assigned the throttle lever on the yoke to be my thrust reverser. Again no issues.Bill M

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Thanks, Bill. Do you also have the registered version of FSUIPC installed? I'm wondering if everything is getting mixed in and confusing my system by blocking certain commands.Thanks again.

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>Thanks, Bill. Do you also have the registered version of>FSUIPC installed? I'm wondering if everything is getting>mixed in and confusing my system by blocking certain>commands.>>Thanks again.Yes I have the payware version FSUIPC installed. To date no problems.Bill M

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>Thanks, Bill. Do you also have the registered version of>FSUIPC installed? I'm wondering if everything is getting>mixed in and confusing my system by blocking certain>commands.>>Thanks again.Yes I have the payware version FSUIPC installed. To date no problems.Bill M

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I, for one, never had any problems with CH CM. It virtually can double the number of buttons you have - something you won't be able to do using UIPC AFAIK.I can understand why a 3PD would want to use UIPC but as an end user I find it of limited use.I suppose most people use it to make custom assignments for their Yoke/Joystick - I do the same using a little utility from "Project Tupolev". Granted, it does not have as many options, but it has more than enough for me to setup the 20 odd buttons I have at my disposal.Think your battery gets drained too quickly? edit the aircraft.cfg...From where I stand,for whatever functionality the registered version exclusively provides, 50 bucks is a tad too dear. Although this, of course, is only my own opinion.

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Thanks for your comments,ha5mvo, and I do agree with most of what you say. I bought FSUIPC a long time ago when it seemed like the only answer to several issues and every body always raved about it. However, for me, CH CM causes far, far more problems -- it totally confuses my FS, assinging different designations to and/or not recognizing my hardware at all, it doesn't hold assignements easily unless I save and exit after every change, etc. etc. etc. Right now I've removed it and I'm back to FSUIPC controlling everything including my reversers, and is working great and see's everything I need it to see, which is all I ask. However, as we all know in this hobby the future is always in question. :-DThanks again!

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I think it is a case of horses for courses. I have used Saitek joysticks in the past and found the programming software useful. However I would often forget what was controling a function.... joystick software or FSUIPC or default FS9 controls.. which recognise the controler as soon as you plug it in.I dont know if the CH software works well or not as I have not used it, I am sure it probably does work very well.I just find it easier to have one thing controlling all the functions...in my case FSUIPC. Peter

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>>I dont know if the CH software works well or not as I have not >>used it, I am sure it probably does work very well.Well, now I have experience using all 3 and of the 3 I have found the software made by Saitek and CH Products to ge equally deficient and aggravating, if only because they do add that extra layer of control, which can confuse the system. FSUIPs biggest drawback seems to be in its utter vastness -- it tries to do a lot (and it usually succeeds!) -- if not in it's somewhat confusing or verbose documentation. The customer support persoan is cranky, too! :-hah

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If you like, I can send you my FS2004 CH Products cms and map files.You can edit them how you like. But I been using the same CH program since FS2002. It loads all my buttons and functions and do not interfere with FS9 functions.Bill M

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Jeez,Bill. That would be great! Thank you! I'm PMing you with my email address. My set up always gets most confused with all the different axes. Do you have to save, upload and exit each time you change a key command? EDIT: Woops, I guess I'm not PMing you! My email adress is listed. THANKS!:-beerchug

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Unable to locate your address, but you can pm it too me and I'll send it to you. Also you can download a file called CH start from CH products website. You load it in your windows startup file, that way you do not have to install your changes before starting FS9.Bill M

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I tried PMing you but it says your user profile has been disabled or hidden. I've used CMStart.

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>I tried PMing you but it says your user profile has been>disabled or hidden. I've used CMStart.Fixed you should be able to PM now.Bill M

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