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Great visual model as usual, but I don't like the view from the 2d cockpit - no runway visible at all! I have taken the liberty of modifying the panel.cfg and aircraft.cfg files:In panel.cfg, add these lines:[VIEWS]VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=1,0VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=8.0, 0.0, 0.0In aircraft.cfg, replace the "eyepoint" values as follows:[Views]eyepoint=-2.95,-0.75,1.05I have only had a quick flight, but the flight model seems a little flakey on my system. Lots of jerks and bumps.... :-(Maybe not the best from Carenado, or perhaps a hasty convert from the FSX version?

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Hi,

In the real c152 you also dont get a good view
Yes indeed .. I see only red "X" in a white square :)Cheers.

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Hypo wrote;

"In the real c152 you also dont get a good view"
I find this an interesting comment. I have to wonder, "dont get a good view" ......of what? And when compared to what? Granted, I am not a real life pilot. To my knowledge I have never been in a C-152. So I don't want to argue with someone who may have many hours in a C-152. But coming as I do from a background in WWII combat flight sims. And having spent many hours in the Flight 1 C-152 I can't imagine anyone saying the over the nose view from a C-152 is anything but excellent.Cheers.................Smokin256

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I think in the conversion, they forgot to add the (VIEWS) section in the panel cfg. I started with the settings that Graeme posted above and it's quite convincing now. (thank you) I also agree that it is "twitchy". I've been tweeking the (flight_tuning) section and came up with these 3 settings. Still need to test some more, but here's where I started;elevator_effectiveness = 0.6 //0.8pitch_stability = 1.2 //1.0elevator_trim_effectiveness = 1.4 //1.5

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I thought I remember reading that Carenado was exclusively making aircraft for FSX going forward? This will indeed be a treat for the FS9ers still out there. I wasn't expecting this!-Scott

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They are also doing the 172 for fs9. :)Never had a problem seeing out of a 152. Although I am 6'-3". ;)Now leg room, that is another story all together. Scott

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Ya, I am 6'3" as well with 100 hours or so in C152s.The view is fine, trying to stretch out on a long flight is impossible. Especially with someone in the right seat!

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Thanks Marv,I will try those settings tonight. I had a longer flight yesterday, and it was not very satisfying - lots of jerky behaviour as if wind gusts were buffeting the plane. All my other Carenado planes fly very "smoothly" so I am not sure what is causing this on the 152.At least I can see where I am going now! :-)

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Graeme,You might also want to adjust the MOI values in the aircraft.cfg a bit--higher MOI values tend to help smooth out the flight controls although more control force might be needed to move the aircraft about the pitch, roll or yaw axis depending on which value you adjust. I haven't flown a 152, but I have flown several Light Sport aircraft all in the 6-800 lb. range, and they get buffeted in the wind pretty easily. A 152 is substantially heavier so I could only guess how a real one might feel. In fact I've always been curious if a 152 is subject to as much adverse yaw as many of the LSA's I've flown.Regards,John

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Just picked this up - thanks for supporting FS9, Carenado! I have around 700 hours in 150's and 152's, and the visibility over the real cowling is actually very good - nothing like what the Carenado bird depicts in the 2-D pit, which feels like someone took the seats out. 3-D view, on the other hand, is fine. The real airplane is not a good choice for turbulent air - not very stable in the bumps, although I flew mine in IFR conditions on occasion. Easy to learn, but requires a certain amount of finesse to fly smoothly.John G.

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I wanted to add to my earlier post. Just downloaded the C152 tonight, as usual I am very pleased with Carenado and felt a bit obligated to buy the 152 given I was one who first expressed sadness when Carenado decided to drop support for FS2004. I don't buy much payware but Carenado has always been a no brainer for me--their texture detailing, virtual cockpit, and model detail is always excellent at a zero performance hit on my relic P3/800.What I wanted to also mention is I too found the flight model just a bit twitchy, so I tried updating the MOI values with no other changes. I am quite pleased with the result. I simply added 1000 to each of the three values.;Moments of Inertiaempty_weight_pitch_MOI = 1xxxempty_weight_roll_MOI = 1xxxempty_weight_yaw_MOI = 1xxx(Note "xxx" represents the original numbers which I am not displaying out of respect for protecting anything proprietary that might be part of the aircraft.cfg)As always YMMV, but I hope this helps.Regards,John

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Well, thanks for the clarification on the view situation. It just seemed odd to me. Looking at Pilots sitting in 152s and looking at pictures of them it seemed to me that the view from the Flight 1 C-152 v/c was exactly what I would have expected.It's interesting that JohnCi mentions adverse yaw. This is something that has always bothered me about the Flight 1 C-152 flight model. There is none at all on initial aileron application. But then a significant amount once steady state corning. This seems backwards to me. have any of the real life pilots in the group flown the Flight 1 C-152 and would care to comment on this? Do I have it wrong?Cheers...............Smokin256

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John,Thanks for those figures. I tried them and it certainly makes a difference - for the better.Cheers,

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Hello!Today I could get my hands on newest Carenado's release for FS9, my uncle bought it and I rushed to see this baby. Awesome external model, great VC but also some bugs that make this plane little bit uncomplete. But as it had been proven in past I'm sure that Carenado will quickly fix these problems.List of bugs I found :1. pitot heat switch turns on dome lights in VC 2. no pitot heat switch in 2d panel3. no fuel selector ( C152 has simple one but has it )4. wrong fuel capacity on placecard near place where fuel selector should be ( 37.5 gal ) vs actual in flight model (26 gal.)5. nav/com switch turns on/off also ADF6. no audio selector panel ( needed to ident ADF/VOR station for example )7. turn coordinator has OFF warning even with power on 8. I'm guessing by looking at C152 cockpits photos on airliners.net that fuel gauges should be swapped in place with engine control gauges9. no gauges backlight ? only dome light...10. if Carenado can model such things like moving vents in 3D why magneto switch in VC is flat 2d gauge ?

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>Hello!>>Today I could get my hands on newest Carenado's release for>FS9, my uncle bought it and I rushed to see this baby. Awesome>external model, great VC but also some bugs that make this>plane little bit uncomplete. But as it had been proven in>past I'm sure that Carenado will quickly fix these problems.>>List of bugs I found :>>1. pitot heat switch turns on dome lights in VC >2. no pitot heat switch in 2d panel>3. no fuel selector ( C152 has simple one but has it )>4. wrong fuel capacity on placecard near place where fuel>selector should be ( 37.5 gal ) vs actual in flight model (26>gal.)>5. nav/com switch turns on/off also ADF>6. no audio selector panel ( needed to ident ADF/VOR station>for example )>7. turn coordinator has OFF warning even with power on >8. I'm guessing by looking at C152 cockpits photos on>airliners.net that fuel gauges should be swapped in place with>engine control gauges>9. no gauges backlight ? only dome light...>10. if Carenado can model such things like moving vents in 3D>why magneto switch in VC is flat 2d gauge ? >>They made 152s with pitot heat? Huh, out of the dozen or so that I have flown I don't think any of them had PH in it. It does not have a fuel selector, but a fuel valve, on off switch basicly. I don't think the real ones have backlight gauges either.

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yes they did.... actually it's rather hard to find C152 without PH unless you live in California ? :) Quick scan of C152 cockpits on a.net and I was unable to find C152 without PH switch. Never the less, pitot heat is enabled in aircraft.cfg and also it should be quite useful in FS where you can get pitot icing without entering visible moisture.fuel valve - I was missing that word ( English is not my native language ) Of course you can't select tanks in C152 , only on/off but there is no fuel valve in Carenado's C152. I'm not sure about backlight, I've flown C152 with backlight, but it was later model, not 1978 model that Carenado made for us , so erase point nr 9 :)

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My 1977 C-150M (basically identical panel with the '78 152) had pitot heat, but no backlit gauges. It does appear that the Carenado fuel and engine gauges are swapped when compared with my sources, but they probably modeled a Reims-built bird for European customers, which may have changed the locations from the American version.

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Carenado has been made aware of the pitot switch issue with the FSX bird, (among other small issues), and they say all will be fixed in an update. I assume this would include the FS9 aircraft as well.

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Hmm, it does look like the fuel and oil temp/pressure gauges are switched around. =/

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Two more bugs:11. The visors don't come down in the external model when clicked from in the VC. They do in the 182 and most other Carenado models.12. The vents don't retract in the external model when clicked from the VC.I emailed Carenado on both but no response. I'm not bothered by that, they probably receive so many emails and I believe English is not the first language of their team members. Bugs aside, the 152 is among my favorites now. If I ever move from Sport Pilot to a GA license (which I am seriously considering) I know a 152 or 172 will probably be my aircraft of choice.Regards,John

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Hello !I'm considering purchase of this aircraft but I'd like to know what is the status of fixes to bugs you guys had found. There is no info about update to FS9 C152 on Carenado's site. Thanks for answer ! :)regardsfragi

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Hello !I'm considering purchase of this aircraft but I'd like to know what is the status of fixes to bugs you guys had found. There is no info about update to FS9 C152 on Carenado's site. Thanks for answer ! :)regardsfragi
Carenado never replied to my report of the two small issues I found. One negative (perhaps the only negative) I find with Carenado is that they rarely fix model bugs--for instance the 182 RG has missing polys on the wing. I don't know if that's due to English not being their primary language--perhaps they don't understand such reports when they receive them. I reconstructed the 2-d panel to allow a better view and also used Martin Wright's MdlMat to reduce the interior reflection of the glass (which seemed overdone to me compared to my GA flying IRL). Sorry to say I can't post both of my updates due to respect for Carenado's copyright. But in the case of the 2-d panel I just clipped the panel152main.bmp from 1280x960 to the upper right 1024x768, then went into the panel.cfg subtracting 256 pixels from the x value of each entry and made some other small adjustments to place the gauges clipped into their own popup window using the bottom right portion of the original panel bmp. Carenado in the past had offered VFR panels or "landing" view panels, so I made my update in keeping with that option.Regards,John

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