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Hello Everybody!In autumn, I have bought a rather decent hardware:E8500 Core2Duo 2x3.16GHz FSB333MHz) switched to Q9770 (Core2Extreme 4x3.20GHZ, FSB333MHz) month ago4GB Kingston (2x2GB, 800MHz)Gigabyte P-45 M-boardGigabyte's Radeon HD4850HD 512GB BAM switched to Nvidia GTX280 1GB RAM month ago300GB VelociRaptor 10krpmTripleHead2Go (3840x900)Saitek's pedals, X52 stick and a Yokeand so on...I use FSX with SP2, with Flight Enviroment X, Ultimate Terrain X, Active Sky X and What a Wonderfull World plus some other non texture-minded stuff.What is strange - I have a 15-20fps inside a Bushawk cockpit. I try to disable all the above's programs textures - gain of 2-3fps. Settings are mostly at right side (no light bloom, autogen very low, no self-shadow at aircraft).What is even more strange - I attach a single monitor, played it at 1024x768 and the frame rate is almost identical! It goes the same on very small active window with FSX. I thought it was a CPU/GPU problem, so I have changed them for a faster one, and gain nothing...I play an FSX on my Dell's XPS m1530 at the same graphical settings (but bare FSX, no add-ons at all) - I use this notebook for testing new add-ons for FSX. There, I have double the frame rates according to the desktop.Any clues? Could be the RAM a bottleneck?

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did you do a full reinstall after upgrading your hardware??follow the fsx installation guide posted on here, somewhere further down the posts (or do a search)higher mhz ram probs will help but you should be getting better FR than what you are experiencingwhere in the world are you flying from? even the best hardware wont get much more than 25fps in default aircraft out of KLAX for example

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did you do a full reinstall after upgrading your hardware??
Yes, I did a FORMAT C: which was finished yesterday. That's why I posted this topic, becouse I have know for sure that this is not a software related
follow the fsx installation guide posted on here, somewhere further down the posts (or do a search)
I installed it exactly that way, also on my notebook I use it the very same way. On desktop - crap, on notebook - quite OK (the same detail level)
higher mhz ram probs will help but you should be getting better FR than what you are experiencingwhere in the world are you flying from? even the best hardware wont get much more than 25fps in default aircraft out of KLAX for example
I know that :)I took the JustFlight 737 PIC and manage to get ~45-50fps at FL330 (spot view), but no matter how small the active FSX window is, the performance is the same. I even change the nVidia panel settings, but it does not change a damn thing (unless i get the x16 AA which slows down the FPS counter)I am rather a bush flyer, i choose mostly often medium/small airports.What bothers me most, it is almost constant (FPS counter), no matter how I set the sliders (only on all-minimal I get much more)

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I use FSX with SP2, with Flight Enviroment X, Ultimate Terrain X, Active Sky X and What a Wonderfull World plus some other non texture-minded stuff.What is strange - I have a 15-20fps inside a Bushawk cockpit.
What FPS would you prefer? Some people would kill for a consistent 20 FPS.1) How many FPS do you get in the default Cessna under the exact same flying conditions?2) How many FPS do you get when you turn off Ultimate Terrain X?3) What kind of weather is it (mostly clear, or fog?) How many FPS do you get when Active Sky X is disabled all other things being equal?There are literally thousands of variables ... but in general, you're doing some things that are inherently going to limit your FPS.* You're flying a non-default aircraft which may not be well-designed for FSX (#1 will tell you the "cost" in FPS of this aircraft).* You're using Ultimate Terrain X, which adds significant elements (mostly extruded bridges, but also roads, railroads, etc.) to the scene that have to be drawn depending on where you are flying (#2 will tell you how many FPS this is costing you).* You're using custom weather, which may be adding complex weather layers (#3 will give you the cost in FPS of this).My impression as you described your situation was that you were getting pretty good performance given what you're attempting to do with a mid-level computer (a duo core is, frankly, midlevel when considered against what is available today).If you are seeking more FPS, I'd suggest turning water to low 2x, and reducing Scenery Complexity to Dense. Turn off shadows. Depending on where you are flying you should gain 5-10 FPS this way.Cheers

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What FPS would you prefer? Some people would kill for a consistent 20 FPS.1) How many FPS do you get in the default Cessna under the exact same flying conditions?2) How many FPS do you get when you turn off Ultimate Terrain X?3) What kind of weather is it (mostly clear, or fog?) How many FPS do you get when Active Sky X is disabled all other things being equal?There are literally thousands of variables ... but in general, you're doing some things that are inherently going to limit your FPS.* You're flying a non-default aircraft which may not be well-designed for FSX (#1 will tell you the "cost" in FPS of this aircraft).* You're using Ultimate Terrain X, which adds significant elements (mostly extruded bridges, but also roads, railroads, etc.) to the scene that have to be drawn depending on where you are flying (#2 will tell you how many FPS this is costing you).* You're using custom weather, which may be adding complex weather layers (#3 will give you the cost in FPS of this).My impression as you described your situation was that you were getting pretty good performance given what you're attempting to do with a mid-level computer (a duo core is, frankly, midlevel when considered against what is available today).If you are seeking more FPS, I'd suggest turning water to low 2x, and reducing Scenery Complexity to Dense. Turn off shadows. Depending on where you are flying you should gain 5-10 FPS this way.Cheers
he's not on core2duo hes on a c2quad extreme at 3.2ghz, your not telling me that 15-20fps bush flying is all that the core2extreme at 3.2ghz is capable of....

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1) How many FPS do you get in the default Cessna under the exact same flying conditions?2) How many FPS do you get when you turn off Ultimate Terrain X?3) What kind of weather is it (mostly clear, or fog?) How many FPS do you get when Active Sky X is disabled all other things being equal?My impression as you described your situation was that you were getting pretty good performance given what you're attempting to do with a mid-level computer (a duo core is, frankly, midlevel when considered against what is available today).If you are seeking more FPS, I'd suggest turning water to low 2x, and reducing Scenery Complexity to Dense. Turn off shadows. Depending on where you are flying you should gain 5-10 FPS this way
So, 1. 20-25fps When I have view from a tower (Cessna far away, barely visible)2. Exactly the same, maybe +1, +2fps (I tried to swich everything texture-related and played a moment with a default ones)3. Again no diffrence or very low difference (+few FPS max) between foggy and clouded FEX maxed-out textures and clear skies without single cloud (and w/o WWW, UTX, ASX and FEX)Q9770 is the fastest CPU at 775 socket anyway. It does works exactly as previous E8500, any FPS more...My water is low x2, scenery complexity dense, shadows are only below aircraft.I am pretty sure, something is wrong with the hardware config, becouse I remember how particular sliders affects FPS rate - it does not work now - no matter what You have set, always the same.I have switched from E8500 + 4870HD to Q9770 + 280 GTX with almost none FPS increase... Today i will put DDR3 1333MHz and test it that way.As an addition: both GPU and CPU works under heavy loads (GPU 80-100%, CPU varies 50-100% )

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If I were you, I'll start with a simpler HW/SW environment. For example, one display with only OS and FSX installed. Optimize it, then add HW/SW one by one.

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I have my compuer in top condition. Nothing besides FSX and Vista32 stays on HDD. Bare FSX has the same FPS rates as with all the add-ons. DDR3 won't fit my MoBo, so I will have to give it back :(

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A wild shot, but i used DriverDetective to update all my drivers and things improved a lot.Trying updating drivers also

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Have you tried deleting the FSX.cfg file and let it rebuild itself?

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Trying updating drivers also
Its done :) Drivers, BIOSes, Vista patches...
Have you tried deleting the FSX.cfg file and let it rebuild itself?
That's worth trying, thanks for a clue

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I have my compuer in top condition. Nothing besides FSX and Vista32 stays on HDD. Bare FSX has the same FPS rates as with all the add-ons.
Use some CPU/VGA/Memory/HDD benchmarks and compare your scores to others with similar hardwares. If the scores are ok, you know your hardwares are fine and you just need to tweak the FSX.

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I even try to disconnect a TH2Go, plays on one screen at 1680x1050 and still the same :) Max is 25fps inside the Bushawk (I will stick to that plane during the remaining tests - I it nice to have a reference - same weather, same landscape and plane). Today I will put WinXP x86, install bare FSX sp2 + Bushawk and see if it will be any improvements.So far I think that a bottleneck im my FSX-computer is FSX itself... It is a shame that MS abandoned creating FS11, especially when the code in FSX is full of errorsPS I know that Aerosoft's Bushawk XP is framerate-hungry :)

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I even try to disconnect a TH2Go, plays on one screen at 1680x1050 and still the same :) Max is 25fps inside the Bushawk (I will stick to that plane during the remaining tests - I it nice to have a reference - same weather, same landscape and plane). Today I will put WinXP x86, install bare FSX sp2 + Bushawk and see if it will be any improvements.So far I think that a bottleneck im my FSX-computer is FSX itself... It is a shame that MS abandoned creating FS11, especially when the code in FSX is full of errorsPS I know that Aerosoft's Bushawk XP is framerate-hungry :)
Everyone will tell you that it is better to use default planes for reference testings. Default Cessnas or 737 ...Because they are closer to FSX coding.Pierre

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Hi again. I have found somewhat the solution - RAM. I have switched MoBo and RAM for a faster one and I have stable 50-80fps on default flight with sliders maxed out. The rig now looks:Q9770 (Core2Extreme 4x3.20GHZ, 1600MHz)4GB OCZ Reaper (2x2GB, 1600MHz CL7)Asus Striker MoBo (nForce 790i)Nvidia GTX280 1GB RAM300GB VelociRaptor 10krpmTripleHead2Go (3840x900)On Bushawk it is 30-40fps which is well enough.I have found that it is big trio in FSX - CPU/GPU and RAM. The most important is not to get fastest CPU possible, but have all three components similiar in performance. Many people says - get the fastest CPU possible. I did it (from E8500 to QX9770) - there was no difference (or very small one). I have to swich GPU (which also doesn't get noticable FPS improvement), then MoBo for a better RAM support.

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Hi,I have a QX9650 and a 8800GT. The CPU has a mild oc of 3.5 and the GPU is OC'd to 705/951 and running 4 gig ram and using the 3GB switch with XP. I also followed Nicks performance guide to the letter --- Big Help! I also use Nhancer and Forceware 180.48. Now video drivers were a real challenge for me. I must have tried 10 drivers. Each had their own little issues. Some of the drivers I used produced hugh spikes in FPS, and some, although there were spikes, the spikes were not as strong. But with all of them over time, FSX would Freeze or I would get CTD's and sometimes complete reboots. Sometimes it would happen within 2-3 minutes and other times 30-60 minutes. I always flew the same route for testing. 34R out of KSEA towards downtown , keeping the downtown buildings always in view. Then make a mild turn to the west keeping the buildings and KSEA and Boeing field in view and then 180 back towards KSEA then landing back on 34R. This seemed the most taxing on the CPU and GPU while testing. It turned out that my video drivers were the problem every time. After settling on the current drivers, I have not had a problem since. Flying the route described my minumum FPS is 22 and the average was about 28 with little spikes to 30-33 or so. So I was very happy. It took alot of time, but I never changed too many variables at once. If while testing, make one change at a time, and do a reboot and start fresh start with FSX with each change. This is important. Also for me, and some may roll their eyes, but I use the AffinityMask setting and only use 3 cores. For each change in drivers or FSX.cfg changes I also removed the AffinityMask setting to test, and everytime It would kick me out into a reboot within 15 minutes of flying my route. Even when I was able to fly for 15 minutes or so, the smoothness of the Sim was definately effected. These are my settings in FSX.MegaSceneryX (Washington State)Clouds - Max @60miMyTraffic - 50 Commericial, 75 GAWater - Mid2 (love the cloud reflections)Traffic - Cars, Boats etc all @30Scenery Complexity - Very Dense and No AutoGenScreen Rez - 1920x1200 using Anisiostropic - I get better smoothness with Anisio than I do using Trilinear. Dont forget to try it.No Light Bloom as I am running dx9c.LOD - 6.5 - If using other than the default of 4.5, make sure when you make any custom settings in FSX, this will get reset back to 4.5. If you are testing make sure to check this before you load FSX. I cannot stand the blurries, and 6.5 does a great job for me.Using FEX clouds - 512x512Using FEX water - 512x512 with 512x animationUsing FEX sky - I believe I have this @ 512.I fly GA only and use primarily Carenado, RealAir simulations and a few others. I do fly the Eaglesoft SR22 Turbo, but because of the glass cockpit, I do start to see some strain when in heavy areas. Still very flyable though, but not as silky as the others.RegardsBob G

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