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Don't know about you, but everytime Microsoft brought out a new MSFS, I was probably the first one in Electronics Boutique or Babbages or Best Buy to get one of the first 10 copies. I usually ABANDON THE OLD VERSION IMMEDIATELY, AND DON'T LOOK BACK! I've never been one to "wait and see" how it works or what the feedback is...I just assume it's going to be better, and it almost always is. I look forward with tremendous anticipation for the new MSFS in July.So..........my question is, "Should we still be adding new utility programs or new payware models to MSFS2002 at this point? We're only 2 months (or less) away. Are the new planes and utilities going to be able to run on the new MSFS program? What are your feelings, in general, about being this close to the introduction of a new sim and how it relates to our current sim? Stanps. Has anyone heard if Microsoft is going to improve the ForceFeedback experience with this new MSFS version? I'd like to feel the "bumps of turbulence" if possible.

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I think you should continue adding them for a while simply because not everyone is going to rush and buy FS2004 they day it hits the shelves.A lot of people will wait to see how those who buy it first feel about it. In addition, some may feel that they don't have a powerful enough system to run FS2004.I've heard some people were still running FS98 when FS2002 came out and was still running it.Steven

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Hi, "Will you abandon MFSF2002 for MSFS2004?""Yes for sure, and you will see less dramatic files uploaded and created to fs2002 and almost non commercial for fs2002, commercial are already move on to fs2004. After a while, you will see most folks from fs2002 go for fs2004 and ton's of addons freeware or commercial for fs2004 like it was for fs2002 and fs2000. Specialy if you don't upgrade your computer near 6/12 month, you will be really outdated for fs2006 or others game also, even if the computer will require much more..ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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I have to disagree with your statement Steven... Everyone will run out and buy FS2004 this summer (not speaking for those who can't afford a new system). Why would they wait when key third party developers have already vouched for this new sim (the boys at Dreamfleet come to mind here)??? I've been around this community since 1986 and believe me most people don't wait to buy a new version of FS. Look at the response FS2000 got even though we all knew the sim had bugs and frame rate issues. Not to mention third party optimism was almost non-existent compared to the overall excitement being generated around FS2004. I'm almost certain this will be the most complete version of Flight Simulator in the history of the series and once it's released it will be a milestone not only for the history of flight but simulation as well.

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Stan, I'd like to see if someone creates a Force Feedback Yoke and Rudder Peddles. If your flying with a joystick, that's highly unrealistic unless your aircraft is military or maybe of course an Airbus....

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I disagree that *everyone* runs out and buys the new sim. The hardcore simmers do - except those that still claim FS98 is the best (there are a few!) and refuse to admit the advances that have been made.I, personally, probably will go out and get it when it makes an appearance in the UK. I fly Bush types a lot, so a Piper Cub, a DC-3, better weather and ATC are major plusses in my opinion. A lot of people will, however, either not get it because they "already have flight simulator" and aren't really interested enough to warrant spending more money or will wait to get it when their favourite add-ons are upgraded to work with it. A lot of the Lago add-ons spring to mind there.Anyway, I can't wait to see the new sim so I can make up my own mind. Put my name on the "improved turbulence code" fans list... Mountain waves and active CBs might make me crash a few times, but I'd love to see them included! ;-)Ian P.:-halo

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I'd like to see that FF Yoke too. But I think it'll be a long wait. Let's see Stan

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Ah, IanP, for once we agree (wide grin)!Jaap Verduijn.

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I'm not concerned about what other people think of it - I'm just going to wait until I can buy it for $20 on Ebay. :)

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I don't see myself getting a new computer anytime soon and my current one only barely runs FS02 the way I want it, so I don't see me buying FS04. If I come up with the capital to buy a new machine someday, I'll get it, but not before.KP

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I probably will move straight on to FS2004, yeah. I probably have a system capable of running it, so why not. Of course, I'll probably have to wait a month until I can stump up the cash... but I kept my receipt this time... so I'm hoping I'll get some money back for upgrading, like MS offered with previous versions.The introduction of an upgraded sim is a good oppotunity to spring clean all the collected files and get rid of all the bits n bobs that I don't use... which is a great deal!When FS2004 gets on my system, I'll keep it very clean this time 'round. Less freeware stuff just for the sake of it. Just the best downloaded stuff and my payware planes and utils. That's all.If you have the cash and the system, I don't see why not upgrade, unless maybe you've spent a long long time getting performance balanced well and don't want to screw around with it.

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>I think you should continue adding them for a while simply>because not everyone is going to rush and buy FS2004 they day>it hits the shelves.>>A lot of people will wait to see how those who buy it first>feel about it. In addition, some may feel that they don't>have a powerful enough system to run FS2004.>>I've heard some people were still running FS98 when FS2002>came out and was still running it.>>StevenI agree with Stephen. I'm one of those who waits a few months to what issues crop up. Also, lot of people who have bought add-ons for FS2002 will want to keep using FS2002 for while, until stuff starts appearing for FS2002.J

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>I'm not concerned about what other people think of it - I'm>just going to wait until I can buy it for $20 on Ebay. :)LOL! That's what I do!

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Aside from the weather engine, I haven't seen anything yet to make me believe this is as profound a change as that between FS2000 and FS2002. The screenshots do seem to show a finer mesh in some areas, and it looks like some of the ground textures have been improved even more. Water reflections also look enhanced, as well as sky colors. From what I see, it's worth buying just from the visual improvements (I don't mention the aircraft, as I am a bigger fan of third party aircraft).But I'm to the point now, having a growing family to take care of, that I may skip FS2004 entirely if reports come back that it is no longer "low end system" friendly. FS2002 has done everything I asked of it on my P3/800. And it was the first release from Microsoft that ran better and smoother than the previous one, even with improved graphics. My sense is if Microsoft retains the same graphics engine in FS2004, and just sticks to an optimized redoing of the weather engine, I may be in for a pleasant surprise. In that case--if I convert, I will likely retire FS2002 very quickly. I've already started my pre-conversion review--I'm clearing out my aircraft collection, and tidying up the rest of the sim folders. -John

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The weather/atmosphere improvements alone are worth it for me. Add in all of the other improvements, and I will be switching over as soon as it's available. Many of my flights are short(under 2 hours) flights in a larger GA or smaller airliner, so the new weather themes really appeals to me.Tim13

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I tend to agree with those who will wait and see. I always had the impression that every other release (e.g. FS98 and Fs2K2) seemed to offer the best upgrade path. Personally I missed out FS2k, as I wasn't convinced it offered enough. I am pretty sure I will wait a few months and see opinions on how it performs on various machines as I have no plans to upgrade at the moment.But the screen shots look interesting.....!David

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I'll probably keep both on my system at once for a while and see how my FS2k2 aircraft migrate to FS2k4. There are some AC that I just can't live without, although I'm assuming the GMax AC will all work in FS2k4 without major glitches...Paul

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I see no reason to make blanket statements that everyone will and should rush out to upgrade. Not everyone can afford to upgrade every year, I do think the pace of change in computer hardware is a bit too fast. I also think changing every two years is not worth it as MS has not been as open with 3rd party developers as we might wish so they have to figure out a lot of stuff on their own. To each his own.

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yes,i will have a copy reserved the day it comes out.i was not dissapointed w/ fs2002 and i dont see any way that i could possibly be dissapointed w/ fs2004i look for small improvements in each new version of fs and have been happy w/ each.i buy a new 'puter yearly so hardware is never an issue.don

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I will definatly be getting FS2004 when it comes out. The upgrades that were mentioned for FS2004 convinced me that it will be worth it to upgrade.They mentioned that FS2002 planes will work with FS2004, so when I get FS2004 I will just move the FS2002 planes into FS2004.

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Ditto. I uninstall the old one before I install the new (saving 3rd party and customized stuff, of course........all 10GB of it :-hah), although FS98 lingered for quite a while with the sucks-a-lot FS2000 until I got a 700mhz machine. It'll be the same here, I'll uninstall FS2002 and transition to FS2004 immediately after. If FS2004 sucks or is unusable at that time, I'll move the old sim back on with much gnashing of teeth and muttering of obscenities.

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I'll grab FS2K4 right away. I'll still hang on to 2K2 for a while while making sure that all my aircraft etc still work. And hopefully I won't have to upgrade. :-( But it would be nice to get a faster machine of course.

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There are four points to consider.1. Atmosphere and weather - From the screenshots already published fs04 is much much better.2. Land and scenery - big question. Go back and look again at the screenshots. Many of them don't look much better than fs02. That includes airports. Have a look at KDFW and compare it to Simflyers payware a/p. The new default fs04 KDFW does not look much better than the normal stuff we know from fs02, meaning we will need scenery downloads for each a/p we visit regularly. There is also a question about landclass. Did MS added more types of land use and more types of water bodies? Probably yes, but to what extend? In fs02 there are cities of 50,000 residents missing, is this going to be the case with fs04, especially outside the USA? What about highways, roads and coast lines? Are they going to more accurate.3. AI traffic and ATC - From what was published fs04 is much much better and this is great news for IFR and also VFR flights. 4. Will fs04 work with all hardware I have invested in, especially my home built cockpit. I hope we will have an FSUIPC version for fs04 as soon as it get on the market. The good news is that problems like installing 2 and more monitors are probably solved. The price of MSFS2004, $55, is really peanuts compared to all the rest. Anyway, I will buy fs04 the day I see it on the shelf, istall it and copy into it 2-3 aircraft I like plus several sceneries and utilities and after a month or two forget all about fs02.Have funSeev

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