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Hello all,I can't seem to get the RealAir Duke "Cold and Dark" option to work. No matter how may times I set the option "Cold and Dark" in the RealAir config., the engines are always on when I load the aircraft. Any ideas?Thanks!

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Hello all,I can't seem to get the RealAir Duke "Cold and Dark" option to work. No matter how may times I set the option "Cold and Dark" in the RealAir config., the engines are always on when I load the aircraft. Any ideas?Thanks!
Hi Arklight,It never failed in testing so I wonder what you have in FSX that would cause this. Can't be certain but could you please check you have auto-mixture disabled in FSX aircraft/realism. Also please be sure you run the config panel as administrator with full rights to be certain that your preferences are being saved and of course please make sure you actually SAVE your options before exiting the configuration. If something else occurs to me I'll post again. In the meantime a work around is to load the Duke, switch everything off then SAVE a flight.Kind regards,Rob Young - RealAir

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Hi Arklight,It never failed in testing so I wonder what you have in FSX that would cause this. Can't be certain but could you please check you have auto-mixture disabled in FSX aircraft/realism. Also please be sure you run the config panel as administrator with full rights to be certain that your preferences are being saved and of course please make sure you actually SAVE your options before exiting the configuration. If something else occurs to me I'll post again. In the meantime a work around is to load the Duke, switch everything off then SAVE a flight.Kind regards,Rob Young - RealAir
Hello Rob,Thanks for the response. I have done all of the things you have suggested and the engines are still on when I start flightsim. It is sort of wierd since all of the other aircraft I have with the "Cold and Dark" option seem to function fine. I don't really have that many add-ons installed so I am not sure what it could be. I will do the work around until I can figure it out. Thanks for the suggestions.

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Ark - Just a WAG as I do not have the Duke - try setting the default flight foer FSX with the C172 cold & dark and save it. Load it and then load the Duke and see if it changes. Then save the Duke flight ( as default, if you wish) and try to load it.Had similar experiences with other a/c and it usually traced back to a non standard default setup.As is said - just a WAG.Vic

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Ark - Just a WAG as I do not have the Duke - try setting the default flight foer FSX with the C172 cold & dark and save it. Load it and then load the Duke and see if it changes. Then save the Duke flight ( as default, if you wish) and try to load it.Had similar experiences with other a/c and it usually traced back to a non standard default setup.As is said - just a WAG.Vic
I will give it a go. Thanks, Vic.

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I have the same problem. Vista 64, Fsx in C:\FSX, Cold and Dark doesn't work. Tried suggestions above. I put it down to the Saitek Yoke+Quadrant, which IIRK was the problem with another add-on. Do you have those by any chance?

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I have the saitek quandrant and I am using Vista 64. I use the startup file that flight1 says to start up with the Mustang. I then switch to the Duke and it is cold and dark. When the Duke is first loaded I just need to move the Prop and mixture to there limits first then pull the mixture away from full rich a little before startingJim

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Hello Rob,Thanks for the response. I have done all of the things you have suggested and the engines are still on when I start flightsim. It is sort of wierd since all of the other aircraft I have with the "Cold and Dark" option seem to function fine. I don't really have that many add-ons installed so I am not sure what it could be. I will do the work around until I can figure it out. Thanks for the suggestions.
Indeed the cold and dark loads not correctly :(Just click on the fuel switches and you be surprised ;-) don't move them just click ;-)

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I have the same problem. Vista 64, Fsx in C:\FSX, Cold and Dark doesn't work. Tried suggestions above. I put it down to the Saitek Yoke+Quadrant, which IIRK was the problem with another add-on. Do you have those by any chance?
No Saitek Yoke + Quadrant here. I am using a CH FIghterstick USB. I will try my CH Yoke as well and see if that changes anything.

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No Saitek Yoke + Quadrant here. I am using a CH FIghterstick USB. I will try my CH Yoke as well and see if that changes anything.
I have this same problem. I have saitek proflight yoke and throttle quadrant. I shut down the engines by cutting the mixture to perform my preflight. When I try to restart the engines, they will not. I have to hit CTRL + E, and they will autostart... Irritating. Duke SP1 FSX SP2, Windows XP SP3 32 Bit.

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Hi all,Same problem here : no cold and dark, and when I try to start the engines after shutting down everything (following the check list, they don't light up... Can live with it, but yes, just a little irritating.FSX with Acceleration, XP SP2, Saitek Yoke, CH Throttle quadrant.Henri

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Additionally, I tried removing and reinstall the aircraft. It made no difference.

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Are you starting from a default aircraft in the sim? Are you starting from a default aircraft already in cold and dark? Are you starting the sim, choosing the default flight THEN selecting the cold'n'dark Duke?There is a common problem with FS that switches can get `out of phase` with their apparent, visible settings in VC (and 2D). If that is the case and you then attempt to load an aftermarket aircraft that may not use all those switches, or have them programmed outside of the SDK for added functionality, then it is quite easy to have `off` as `on` and `on` as `off`.I would suggest removing all variables. DO NOT reinstall the aircraft, there's nothing wrong with it. Start the sim. Choose the default Cessna and a starting position on a default airport runway. The default WILL start with the engine running. NOW switch to the cold'n'dark Duke and see what happens. Just as a double negative makes a positive, I suspect your .flt that you are using prior to selecting the Duke has a carryover setting from something else that is making the `off` into an `on`. Once you have established that the Duke is cold'n'dark, save that flight, and then use that to begin any simming session which involves startup with that aircraft.

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Snave's advice is good. In a long testing period the Cold and Dark never failed. I can only imagine that some people have wierd and wonderful setups, or cfg edits, or perhaps something beyond their control but we tested the Duke's cold and dark settings many many times.But even if it does not work, it really is not a show stopper. All you have to do is switch everything off then save the flight. That takes less time than posting on this forum!All the best,Rob Young - RealAir Simulations

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Snave's advice is good. In a long testing period the Cold and Dark never failed. I can only imagine that some people have wierd and wonderful setups, or cfg edits, or perhaps something beyond their control but we tested the Duke's cold and dark settings many many times.But even if it does not work, it really is not a show stopper. All you have to do is switch everything off then save the flight. That takes less time than posting on this forum!All the best,Rob Young - RealAir Simulations
I just purchase the duke a few days ago and I am having a heck of a time getting the cold and dark working as well. My specs are in my sig. Other than that feature not working for me, it really is a great aircraft! Thanks for the hard work, I didn't second guess my purchase.

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Snave's advice is good. In a long testing period the Cold and Dark never failed. I can only imagine that some people have wierd and wonderful setups, or cfg edits, or perhaps something beyond their control but we tested the Duke's cold and dark settings many many times.But even if it does not work, it really is not a show stopper. All you have to do is switch everything off then save the flight. That takes less time than posting on this forum!All the best,Rob Young - RealAir Simulations
This is true for some, but not all. As I and another user stated, once we shut the engines down, they will not start without using CTRL + E. I will try starting with a default AC then loading the Duke.

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So you can't select the default cessna, turn off all the systems, save it as default flight, then load it again, then load the Duke, and start it with your hardware?

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So you can't select the default cessna, turn off all the systems, save it as default flight, then load it again, then load the Duke, and start it with your hardware?
That worked for me, but doesn't that negate the reason for having the cold and dark option in the config utility in the first place?

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That worked for me, but doesn't that negate the reason for having the cold and dark option in the config utility in the first place?
No, but it does confirm that the problem is NOT with the aircraft, but with the users system, setup or configuration, and therefore hardly within the developers remit to solve. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Besides, the configuration is only there as a sop to those who are unable to figure out how to create a cold'n'dark scenario in the sim, and there can't be many of those by now, with all the topics in all the forums available for research? If the config choice doesn't work, create one the `proper` way. It takes less than 19 seconds from start to finish...

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That worked for me, but doesn't that negate the reason for having the cold and dark option in the config utility in the first place?
Without going into tedious detail, just accept the fact that the FS "default flight" saves an additional twenty-six state variables more than a regular "saved flight."Because of this, some state data may become out of synch (where off is really on, etc.)...This is why it is critical that (a) only a stock FS aircraft be used for the "default flight" and (:( it is occasionally necessary to load the FS "default flight" prior to loading an advanced add-on aircraft. Typically this is only required to be done one time, because once the add-on aircraft is loaded, you can save that state as a regular "saved flight" and relaunch the add-on at any future time using that "saved flight."The only real reason any add-on would typically have for their own "Cold and Dark" option would be to save additional "custom state data" that is not saved in either the "default flight" or "saved flight" files.

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Are you starting from a default aircraft in the sim? Are you starting from a default aircraft already in cold and dark? Are you starting the sim, choosing the default flight THEN selecting the cold'n'dark Duke?There is a common problem with FS that switches can get `out of phase` with their apparent, visible settings in VC (and 2D). If that is the case and you then attempt to load an aftermarket aircraft that may not use all those switches, or have them programmed outside of the SDK for added functionality, then it is quite easy to have `off` as `on` and `on` as `off`.
I tried loading up a flight with the default 172, then switching everything off, and loading the Duke. All electronics were off as is always, but the engines were still running, and once I shut them off, they would not start unless using CTRL + E. I do not believe there is anything wrong with my default flight. Even if I Autostart the engines, then shut them down again, I cannot start them without Autostart. They will crank, but they will not start.

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Would also be interested in a fool-proof method to get an engine start.scott s..

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If the Duke engines crank but don't start it's probably that you're using left click/right click to control the switches.If you use the mouse wheel to turn the ignition switch they should start.It's an FSX quirk or something.I hope it helpsLucevan

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Tap on the mouse button at least 2 or 3 more times when you have got to the mags start position and then they will fire up perfectly as long as the mixture isn't at cut off and fuel is switched on too.

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