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Flight1 Mustang with FSX Service Pack 1?

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Has anyone installed the Mustang and gotten it to run using FSX Service Pack 1? SP1 is my version of choice for FS-X, as I get the best results when Tileproxy is running.Thanks and Regards,John

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Has anyone installed the Mustang and gotten it to run using FSX Service Pack 1? SP1 is my version of choice for FS-X, as I get the best results when Tileproxy is running.Thanks and Regards,John
Can anyone answer?

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SP2 is required.
I know the docs say that, I would like to know if anyone has tried it with SP1 unless you can identify a feature in SP2 that is required which SP1 doesn't offer.Regards,John

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I know the docs say that, I would like to know if anyone has tried it with SP1 unless you can identify a feature in SP2 that is required which SP1 doesn't offer.Regards,John
John,You just got your answer from the developer of the Mustang. What more do you want?

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John,You just got your answer from the developer of the Mustang. What more do you want?
Can the snide answers. I am a developer as well, and we release baseline support requirements to our clients. That doesn't mean a product won't run if someone deviates from that baseline, it just means we won't support it if issues arise--we can't lab a million different system configurations in our shop.Jim said SP 2 but he didn't give a reason why. Is that all they will support? I have no problem with that if someone has used the package with service pack 1. I don't call or email add-on vendors every five minutes with an odd question or support issues. Flight 1 products have been excellent on my system and if there's one I can't install, I don't have a problem with that. But if someone out there has installed it, I'd be happy to still buy the Mustang absent of support.

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Why not just try to run it with your installation, no hurt in that

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Why not just try to run it with your installation, no hurt in that
I'm considering it but if there's a compelling reason not to, I'd rather not waste Flight One's time asking for a refund if things go awry. There may be something unique to SP 2 that the Mustang requires. I just installed the Duke recently and the Carenado 172 prior to that and both worked very well, but neither would be using the systems the Mustang would be trying to emulate.Regards,John

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Why not just try to run it with your installation, no hurt in that
Because that would cost us time and money processing a refund when I can tell you that it will not work properly in SP1.I believe MS did a great disservice by not removing SP1 when SP2 was released. Just one more level of confusion.Regards,Jim

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Because that would cost us time and money processing a refund when I can tell you that it will not work properly in SP1.I believe MS did a great disservice by not removing SP1 when SP2 was released. Just one more level of confusion.Regards,Jim
Thanks Jim, Problem with service pack 2 is when autogen is off, buildings have a habit of disappearing when the angle of view shifts--I've had airport buildings vanish then reappear on final, which is quite distracting. Since ACES is no more, chances of this issue ever getting addressed seem to be zero. Since Autogen is not supported under Tileproxy (nor would it look right), the issue is quite obvious. If SP 1 weren't available, I wouldn't be flying FS-X. The disservice Microsoft has done is in ceasing support for this great franchise. Regards,John

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I have issues with SP2 as well, mostly performance. I know SP2 is suppose to perform better, but I'm getting sharp decrease in FPS when I pan around in the virtual cockpit, that doesn't happen with SP1. I know this is probably due to upgrading to my current install, and a fresh install will probably fix the issue. I have too much installed to start from scratch, so unless I have to reinstall I'm happy with what I got. To answer John's question, I have the Mustang and it will not work with SP1. I do have it running on my acceleration installation on my Vista boot disk and it works great, but I do most of my flying on my XP installation in SP1, so I don't get to fly it that often.

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Thanks Jim, Problem with service pack 2 is when autogen is off, buildings have a habit of disappearing when the angle of view shifts--I've had airport buildings vanish then reappear on final, which is quite distracting. Since ACES is no more, chances of this issue ever getting addressed seem to be zero. Since Autogen is not supported under Tileproxy (nor would it look right), the issue is quite obvious. If SP 1 weren't available, I wouldn't be flying FS-X. The disservice Microsoft has done is in ceasing support for this great franchise. Regards,John
You use the addon Tileproxy, you have the FSX autogen turned off and using SP2 buildings dissappear, so you use SP1, and this is a fault with SP2, so you blame Aces because your FSX doesnt work correctly with an addon? Do I have that right? If so have you considered removing Tileproxy? I have a 3 year old system and SP2 runs perfectly here.

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You use the addon Tileproxy, you have the FSX autogen turned off and using SP2 buildings dissappear, so you use SP1, and this is a fault with SP2, so you blame Aces because your FSX doesnt work correctly with an addon? Do I have that right? If so have you considered removing Tileproxy? I have a 3 year old system and SP2 runs perfectly here.
No he's saying scenery objects disappear with autogen turned off. Since he uses Tileproxy he doesn't use autogen. This is the problem I warned about when SP2 changed the rules of the game midstream in regards to backward compatibility. You now have addons that worked fine in SP1 that doesn't work in SP2 (at least without modification) and worse now you have addons built for SP2 that isn't compatible with SP1. I thought FSX was FSX SDK compliant? Compatibility changes should only be made on a major release, else you end up splitting the community.

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No he's saying scenery objects disappear with autogen turned off. Since he uses Tileproxy he doesn't use autogen. This is the problem I warned about when SP2 changed the rules of the game midstream in regards to backward compatibility. You now have addons that worked fine in SP1 that doesn't work in SP2 (at least without modification) and worse now you have addons built for SP2 that isn't compatible with SP1. I thought FSX was FSX SDK compliant? Compatibility changes should only be made on a major release, else you end up splitting the community.
I've never tried turning off autogen but now that my curosity is peaked, I'll give it a try next time I fly. I'm aware of the problem with some planes and the different SP's, one of my favorites was the PMDG 1900 but after SP2 the props are hosed, so now it's a hanger queen.

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You use the addon Tileproxy, you have the FSX autogen turned off and using SP2 buildings dissappear, so you use SP1, and this is a fault with SP2, so you blame Aces because your FSX doesnt work correctly with an addon? Do I have that right? If so have you considered removing Tileproxy? I have a 3 year old system and SP2 runs perfectly here.
Even without tileproxy, if Autogen is turned off when SP2 is installed, buildings can disappear and reappear during a flight. A good example of this is flying out of Tahoe Valley towards Stateline, NV. As you fly closer, with autogen off, the casinos will vanish or reappear depending on your POV. So I do blame ACES for this--not everyone flies with Autogen on. It does not always realistically depict the real world, whether one uses Tileproxy or not. The option of having it off while flying should have been considered.

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I assumed he already bought it and reverted to SP1 because he wanted to run Tileproxy....

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Even without tileproxy, if Autogen is turned off when SP2 is installed, buildings can disappear and reappear during a flight. A good example of this is flying out of Tahoe Valley towards Stateline, NV. As you fly closer, with autogen off, the casinos will vanish or reappear depending on your POV. So I do blame ACES for this--not everyone flies with Autogen on. It does not always realistically depict the real world, whether one uses Tileproxy or not. The option of having it off while flying should have been considered.
Unable to reproduce. I flew around numerous cities with autogen and scenery complexity both maxxed on, both off, and every combination of each I could think of, and never once had any buildings dissappearing or appearing.

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Unable to reproduce. I flew around numerous cities with autogen and scenery complexity both maxxed on, both off, and every combination of each I could think of, and never once had any buildings dissappearing or appearing.
Im running service pack 2 from the acceleration install. Depending on my viewpoint, and how quickly I change it, the entire Vegas strip can be gone, and then come back instantly before my eyes. This of course is as worse as it gets. Airport buildings do the same for me, when I have alot going on and am in a busy or graphically conjested issue. I had read (I think) that the bufferpools setting can help this. But per NickN's advice, I have played with and found that the bufferpools setting does not do much for me and my 512meg card. So yes, in my opinion - some good came with SP2, but some bad also....Seems like this is getting off topic, and kinda like a journey back in time. The newest releases are going to be mostly only SP2 compliant, and I suppose we have to adjust to that or have 2 installs.Danon -

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not do much for me and my 512meg card. So yes, in my opinion - some good came with SP2, but some bad also....Seems like this is getting off topic, and kinda like a journey back in time. The newest releases are going to be mostly only SP2 compliant, and I suppose we have to adjust to that or have 2 installs.Danon -
I can assure you that all our releases will be SP2 Compliant. Folks, that is where FSX left us and that is what we will be developing for.Jim

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Im running service pack 2 from the acceleration install. Depending on my viewpoint, and how quickly I change it, the entire Vegas strip can be gone, and then come back instantly before my eyes. This of course is as worse as it gets. Airport buildings do the same for me, when I have alot going on and am in a busy or graphically conjested issue. I had read (I think) that the bufferpools setting can help this. But per NickN's advice, I have played with and found that the bufferpools setting does not do much for me and my 512meg card. So yes, in my opinion - some good came with SP2, but some bad also....Seems like this is getting off topic, and kinda like a journey back in time. The newest releases are going to be mostly only SP2 compliant, and I suppose we have to adjust to that or have 2 installs.Danon -
Actually Vegas was one of my test cities, I had 0 problems there. I have never used Nicks advice, but my system is tweaked by www.fs-gs.com so maybe thats the difference.

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