Hey guys,I noticed at the airport of fly tampa's KSFO with the parallel runways 28L/28R in use, the ai traffic does not hold short of 28L after they have landed. They land on 28R and then stop, contact ground, and then they continue to their gate without holding short of 28L when there is a large volume of traffic taking off from 28L. I LOVE THIS! I wish I could implement this at every other airport with parallel runways but I have not been able to figure out how this is done. Every other airport the traffic backs up and they just dissapear because they have to sit and wait for so long. Airports like KATL, KLAS, KLAX etc. But for some reason the AI Traffic does not hold short for taking off traffic at KSFO on 28L and 28R. Can anyone tell me why this is? And how I can implement it into my other afcads? Thanks.-Scott

Hey guys,I noticed at the airport of fly tampa's KSFO with the parallel runways 28L/28R in use, the ai traffic does not hold short of 28L after they have landed. They land on 28R and then stop, contact ground, and then they continue to their gate without holding short of 28L when there is a large volume of traffic taking off from 28L. I LOVE THIS! I wish I could implement this at every other airport with parallel runways but I have not been able to figure out how this is done. Every other airport the traffic backs up and they just dissapear because they have to sit and wait for so long. Airports like KATL, KLAS, KLAX etc. But for some reason the AI Traffic does not hold short for taking off traffic at KSFO on 28L and 28R. Can anyone tell me why this is? And how I can implement it into my other afcads? Thanks.-Scott

Use the free AFCAD program to open the afcad for the airport in question. Have FS2004 running also and "lock' the aircraft position in the afcad by using the "lock" icon at the top of the page in afcad.Slew to the area in question. Note the taxiway line most likely has a "hold short" node on either side of the runway which is to be crossed. By eliminating these hold short nodes and being sure the taxiway line does NOT intersect the runway taxi line, your aircraft should proceed directly across the runway. That may mean an occasional "collison" with departing or arriving aircraft but it sure does speed up ground traffic.Tom Gibson has previously spelled all this out in some detail but I cannot locate the post which contains that info. Perhaps Tom will spot this and correct what I have stated if necessary and/or repeat his detailed instructions. B) EDIT ADDED: In searching thru my "stack of stuff" I found the details which Tom had posted. Here they are:quote:If the plane has to cross another active runway to get to the gate, then a few extra nodes won't help.You'll need to use the diamond technique:1. This diamond will be created on the runway that the plane needs to cross, NOT on the one it landed on.2. Drag the blue node that creates the crossing between the taxiway and the runway to the left side of the intersection, still on the centerline of the runway. This will make the taxiway line between the red hold short nodes look like: <3. Now create a new taxiway line between the two red hold short nodes that crosses the runway, but does NOT connect to it. It should now look like: < |4. Now create a new taxiway between the red hold short node and the runway, but this time on the right side. Continue this taxiway line to the other hold short node. Now it will look like this: < | >5. Adjust the markings on each taxiway segment as you wish. Usually I turn them all off in the area, but others like different things.Now the plane will taxi across the active runway using the center pathway (not connected to the runway) no matter the runway's status. Yes, you will see a few aircraft collisions, but at least it doesn't cause big clogs.end quoteHope that helps. And many thanks to Tom Gibson for the instructions!! :( :( :(

Prior to following Opa's suggestion, make sure you backup a copy of the original afcad.If the afcad was created with AFX it could include data relating to excludes and/or taxi signs that will be lost if you edit this file with AFCAD2.Hope this helps,Joe

Thanks Scott for posting on the issue, this was really annoying for me too. I hadn't given it any interest for a while but now thanks to Opa (once again! :( ) there seems to be a solution.Happy landings

I noticed this problem too, especially at Simflyers EDDF. It was doubly annoying there because traffic landing on 25R would turn left at just sit there, also blocking traffic landing on 25L/ I got an AFCAD that fixed this, though. Even more irritating is when a very busy airport, like EHAM, only uses one runway. Why?!! It has 4 others just sitting there! I know it is possible to activate x-wind runways, can anyone tell me how?

I noticed this problem too, especially at Simflyers EDDF. It was doubly annoying there because traffic landing on 25R would turn left at just sit there, also blocking traffic landing on 25L/ I got an AFCAD that fixed this, though. Even more irritating is when a very busy airport, like EHAM, only uses one runway. Why?!! It has 4 others just sitting there! I know it is possible to activate x-wind runways, can anyone tell me how?

This details in this thread may be what you are seeking.http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showthrea...light=crosswindGood luck!!

This details in this thread may be what you are seeking.http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showthrea...light=crosswindGood luck!!

Thanks, but it seems beyond my scope for the moment! I'll keep going through till it sinks in, then I'll fix Schiphol

Hi,It's not that complicated to implement xwind runways. Just take a thorough look at one, try to understand the logic with the runway headings (max 7.9 degrees between them). Follow the instructions in the link Opa posted. Trust me you will nail it. :(

Hey guys,I noticed at the airport of fly tampa's KSFO with the parallel runways 28L/28R in use, the ai traffic does not hold short of 28L after they have landed. They land on 28R and then stop, contact ground, and then they continue to their gate without holding short of 28L when there is a large volume of traffic taking off from 28L. I LOVE THIS! I wish I could implement this at every other airport with parallel runways but I have not been able to figure out how this is done. Every other airport the traffic backs up and they just dissapear because they have to sit and wait for so long. Airports like KATL, KLAS, KLAX etc. But for some reason the AI Traffic does not hold short for taking off traffic at KSFO on 28L and 28R. Can anyone tell me why this is? And how I can implement it into my other afcads? Thanks.-Scott

As descibed in previous post Tom's tutorial shows how to draw the diamond method for crossing a active runway. If the taxiway is straight across you can use the overlay method. This method does not require removing any nodes from the runway and you draw a straight line across the holdshort nodes. ADE9 (oops not released yet) does not snap a taxiway line to a runway node so just add a taxiway line on top the taxiway that crosses the runway. However AFCAD does snap a line to the runway node so slide the runway node up and out of the way then add the overlay taxiway. Now slide the runway node back into its original place. If the taxiway that crosses a runway is not straight across then the Diamond method that Tom describes looks like thisThere are EHAM FS9 and FSX airports in the library that have all runways working with diamond and overlay taxiways in place. The EHAM's also have weight restriction runways in use such as 04/22 and AI/User planes as directed by ATC fly the actual VORDME PAM curved approach for runway 24.

Hey guys,I got it to work for KLAS but it was real messy because every time I would create a taxiway link it would bring the yellow lines along with it. It would never look as neat as the pictures above. Also, I might be a little confused about the whole thing. I got it to work for KLAS but with KATL the airplanes still stop before the new diamond shape intersections. What makes the ai stop to begin with? Is it the hold short nodes or the blue nodes? Because it seems like if there is a node in the middle of the runway they will not cross. But those pictures you have show a blue node in the middle. So the goal is to create a taxiway link with no blue node in the middle of the runway?-Scott

Hi,It's not that complicated to implement xwind runways. Just take a thorough look at one, try to understand the logic with the runway headings (max 7.9 degrees between them). Follow the instructions in the link Opa posted. Trust me you will nail it. :(

I opened the AFCAD for a KORD that I have and could not find the extra runways. I'll just keep reading that tutorial till I get it right, though I can't really follow istructions without pictures :( !

I opened the AFCAD for a KORD that I have and could not find the extra runways. I'll just keep reading that tutorial till I get it right, though I can't really follow istructions without pictures :( !

:( You should see the runways in List-Runways in the top menu. You can't visually see them because they're probably ditched in a body of water somewhere, that's what I do anyway. If there are no runways in that list then it's not a xwind afcad.The only downside is that ATIS will read these extra runways so you'll have long ATIS messages.

Hi,Glad I could help. Thanks Jim for the pics too. I used to have one around but have lost it.One last thing about the diamond technique. You should check this at night (press L in AFCAD), because the extra taxiway segments will add a lot of blue taxiway edge lights to the area. Turn most of these off until it looks right to you. I use blue lights only on the outside of the "diamond".As for the markings and lines, it is best to turn off most of these too, except for the center line of the taxiway that goes straight across. The overlay method is much better regarding lights and markings - an advantage.Finally, check in FS, because some arrangements will do odd things with the concrete (etc.) around this area.Hope this helps,

You should do what I do. Instead of having the aircraft land and takeoff from 2 different parallel runways, use 2 perpendicular runways (1 for landing and 1 for taking off). Now the landing aircraft dont have to hold short at the parallel runways to wait for all aircraft takeoff.