Whichever you prefer.Remember this started with a post claiming Flightaware just covered the US.I was just proving it doesn't.Not ramming anything down anyones throat here.

Let's be fair here... Flightaware is the easiest tool to use when you just want to fly domestic and certain international flights. It beats having to use 2 or more tools in an already time consuming pre-flight process (especially if you're like me and do cold & dark set ups). I was only hoping there was something similar just for European flights. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry that this degraded to a pee pee match.Everything mentioned here has been more than I usually get out of this question (I've asked it at least twice on these forums alone...). For that, I thank everyone who has contributed.

Let's be fair here... Flightaware is the easiest tool to use when you just want to fly domestic and certain international flights. It beats having to use 2 or more tools in an already time consuming pre-flight process (especially if you're like me and do cold & dark set ups). I was only hoping there was something similar just for European flights. Nothing more, nothing less. Sorry that this degraded to a pee pee match.

Not sure why your apologizing as I supported using Flightaware.Just that's it's not limited to the US.Was never at any point trying to get into a "pee pee" match For the record Every flight I do is cold & dark, real time, VATSIM online flying.And once you know what to look for and have the resources it takes less than 2 min to find what you need.After this and the previous pissing match I somehow got involved in, perhaps best I take my experience somewhere else.And enjoy my simming quietly by myself, Somehow I thought a community was here to help people.

I think the original post asked if something like flight aware was available for Europe.When others said "nothing like it" your claim was that if you "knew how to use it" flight aware it could be.As I said I think that statement was a little misleading.For the record Clarke I do not use flight aware for anything but domestic flights in Canada and the USA. For European flights I use VRoute, Route Finder or my own set of Jeppesen charts.

I think the original post asked if something like flight aware was available for Europe.When others said "nothing like it" your claim was that if you "knew how to use it" flight aware it could be.As I said I think that statement was a little misleading.For the record Clarke I do not use flight aware for anything but domestic flights in Canada and the USA. For European flights I use VRoute, Route Finder or my own set of Jeppesen charts.

Haha, Clarke has been getting a lot of flak recently from his posts in the post about water texture blending on the horizon to now this post. :( I think things were heard right, but the answer the original poster wanted was not completely found. Good alternatives have been provided by all those that replied.FlightAware is a great site, but specializes primarily on flights filed in American ATC that I have come to see. Clarke has a good workaround by using using the callsigns of European or Asian flights to search for no US flights, rather than searching by airport.So far the answer is no to a direct alternative. But with alternative searches for flights, sites with larger flight DBs, VATSIM branch websites with prefered routes, and real world knowledge, there still is a lot of ways to get real world Euro or Asian flight paths.I personally use FS's flight planner and simroutes.com a lot. Though I am not to happy with some of the routes FS's flight planner gives me and the ability to edit them is annoying at times...

Clarke seems like he is on a mission to prove everyone wrong for some strange reason (I just read the aforementioned post on texture rendering, wow!)Maybe a better way to reply to the first post would go something like this...."You can use Flightaware for some European flights by searching for flight numbers instead of airports, here is an example of the way I do it"That seems much less confrontational and not as misleading as the original post. (and he had our hopes up that we could use flightaware like we do for domestic flights)Don't get so rattled Clarke, we are all in this FS addiction together! :(

Clarke seems like he is on a mission to prove everyone wrong for some strange reason (I just read the aforementioned post on texture rendering, wow!)Maybe a better way to reply to the first post would go something like this...."You can use Flightaware for some European flights by searching for flight numbers instead of airports, here is an example of the way I do it"That seems much less confrontational and not as misleading as the original post. (and he had our hopes up that we could use flightaware like we do for domestic flights)Don't get so rattled Clarke, we are all in this FS addiction together! :(

lol, yeah it was fervent, but I do agree. I have taken his advice and it does work. :)Nothing like a big happy family with a healthy FS addiction, haha.

Haha, felt it was about time I chime in.Just to answer the original post: I personally use Vroute for all the planning in Europe (it gives me a nice start-off, I can save flightplans in both SB and FS2004 format). It usually has all usual european flights available. Never used Flightaware though, also flying very little in the North America.But about the texture discussion and this one here, it's obvious we are all FS addicts who want to prove their point. Clarke on the mission ;-) - just chill dude, don't get so excited about everything, you'll catch a heart attack :(

Clarke seems like he is on a mission to prove everyone wrong for some strange reason (I just read the aforementioned post on texture rendering, wow!)

WOW! never saw that coming. I've always tried to be the first one here to extend a helping hand.Look at something a different way and give some an alternative to the straight and obvious choice.You guys need to go back and look at both of these posts.The first one all did way show someone that this FS9 "limitation" as it's called. Has a workaround.Same as this post. There's always an alternate way of doing it.Yet everyone's on my back, And I'm the one trying to prove myself?Please.

Vroute offers the best choices in my opinion. It doesn't just give you a flightplan. Charts, scenery, weather etc.

Charts, scenery, weather etc.

Did I miss something, or don't you get that only when you pay for Vroute? I am using the "free" version, which I can update with Navigraph...

Did I miss something, or don't you get that only when you pay for Vroute? I am using the "free" version, which I can update with Navigraph...

No you can get quite a lot using the free version

The paid version lets you export your routes into formats for PMDG/LVD/PSS and so on (for quick loading into the FMC) and also does fuel calculations.

It's been a mystery to me how European owners of FS9/X handle flight planning when not flying in the US. With sites like Flightaware.com only covering the US, is there some other site similar to Flightaware that handles European flight planning?I'd really like to do some European and Asian flights, but wanted to stick as close to real world planning as possible.

Real simple actually flightsim commander and vroute :(

How do Eurpoeans use Flight Sim?

Upside down.

How do Eurpoeans use Flight Sim?

Should read how does the "Rest of the World" use flight sim?N America is the only country that uses inches and has a transition altitude that's halfway to the moon!Plus the ATC procedures are different from the rest of the world!!!A US pilot's licence is not valid in the UK. ATPL licence holders have to be certified by their airline employersin order for their flights to be granted permission to fly in UK airspace. If your a US PPL forget it!You will need to take the complete UK PPL course.Vololiberista