Almost every modern airliner has been modelled with advanced model and systems in fs9/fsx.The PMDG 737, PMDG 747, MDG MD 11, Level D 767, Captainsim 757, Captainsim 767, Qualitywings 757, Maddog MD-80, NLS A380, Airsimmer airbus family , SSTSIM Concorde all the PSS products and the large amount of CLS prodects- the list is endless.But one crucial modern airliner is missing: the Boeing 777.I am aware of the freeware models from posky but of course they lack systems and even with merges the experience is not great.Also I own the Wilco 777 and that lacks details aswell.And the PSS is outdated now and is lacking models.I was wondering if anybody knows any companies thinking about starting an in-depth simulation of the 777.Personally I beleive a PMDG/Level D standard 777 is really lacking from both fsx and fs9.Any comments or opinions welcomed and appreciated.ThanksRichy

Well there is this one. It's not fully modeled systems-wise, but add an FMC and it would be fairly close:http://www.aerosim.co.jp/eigo/page1_e.htmAl

Wow I have never come across this before.Thank youRichy

I'd like to see how they implement this -

* Self-contained Navigation System, based on the functional LNAV and VNAV. (without FMS/CDU).

A few pics of the Aerosim Triple Seven for you (these are on my 'usable' FSX settings by the way, so not necessarily showing it at its best):Don't expect it to be a masterpiece of systems accuracy, it's okay, but certainly no PMDG. That is not to say it is really basic though, in fact it does have a lot of system stuff modeled (all the cockpit stuff works) and it look great, but there is no FMC by default (although it can do LNAV and VNAV via an FSX flight plan). To make it really realistic, you would have to add CDU, which to be fair is easily done (I recommend adding the Simavionics Smiths CDU, since that's what a lot of modern Boeings have, add that and it would be fairly accurate in terms of avionics and capability, or you could add something from another FS aircraft with a bit of trickery in the config file).It gets very good frame rates in FSX and the virtual cockpit is a good representation of the real thing and, as noted, is largely functional. You get three paint jobs with it, the Boeing BCA scheme, a bare metal/grey scheme, and an Aerosim scheme which you can see in those screenshots (there is a paint kit for it too, but they say in their EULA that you need their permission to reverse engineer anything, although I doubt they come after someone for posting a repaint online which used their paint kit, otherwise there'd be no point in there being a paint kit). Coincidentally, I'm currently repainting this in my Atlantic Bridge colours at the moment for use in Air Hauler, but not rushing since I can't actually afford to lease a 'cripple seven' in AH yet LOL. The interior is modeled in a very basic fashion (no seats, but the floor, partitions and doors are there).You also get FSX scenery for Shimojishima airport (RORS), which you can also see a bit of in those shots. Being a smallish Japanese airport, it's nothing special but reasonably nicely modeled and textured; nice to have anyway and frame rates are pretty good there. You also get three approach plates for the place in the PDF manual. The Aerosim Triple Seven also comes with a series of 'adventures' and 'training missions' based at that airport, which look okay, but I've never really indulged in them to be honest. As far as manuals go, there are two that come with it, a main manual (37 pages) and a tutorial flight manual (23 pages). Despite the website for Aerosim being a bit 'we speak England very best', the manuals do actually feature a good English translation. In any case, their English is a lot better than my Japanese, so I'm not going to have a pop at them for not speaking like the Queen.Incidentally, if you do cough up for it (23 quid or so), beware the payment page, which automatically ticks the 'include paying for an extended download service' (costs 3.50). I've been caught out twice by that when buying stuff from Aerosim, when I didn't actually want to pay for the service since I back all my stuff up to an external drive. For just over 20 quid it is worth the cash, since you can soup it up, and aerosim make no secret of the fact that it is pretty much their first go at a FSX commercial airliner (unless you count their Mitsubishi/Fuji YS-11 propliner).Al

A few pics of the Aerosim Triple Seven for you:Don't expect it to be a masterpiece of systems accuracy, it's okay, but certainly no PMDG. That is not to say it is really basic though, in fact it does have a lot of system stuff modeled (all the cockpit stuff works) and it look great, but there is no FMC by default (although it can do LNAV and VNAV via an FSX flight plan). To make it really realistic, you would have to add CDU, which to be fair is easily done (I recommend adding the Simavionics Smiths CDU, since that's what a lot of modern Boeings have, add that and it would be fairly accurate in terms of avionics and capability, or you could add something from another FS aircraft with a bit of trickery in the config file).It gets very good frame rates in FSX and the virtual cockpit is a good representation of the real thing and, as noted, is largely functional. You get three paint jobs with it, the Boeing BCA scheme, a bare metal/grey scheme, and an Aerosim scheme which you can see in those screenshots. The interior is modeled in a very basic fashion (no seats, but the floor, partitions and doors are there).You also get FSX scenery for Shimojishima airport (RORS), which you can also see a bit of in those shots. Being a smallish Japanese airport, it's nothing special but reasonably nicely modeled and textured; nice to have anyway and frame rates are pretty good there. You also get three approach plates for the place in the PDF manual. The Aerosim Triple Seven also comes with a series of 'adventures' and 'training missions' based at that airport, which look okay, but I've never really indulged in them to be honest. As far as manuals go, there are two that come with it, a main manual (37 pages) and a tutorial flight manual (23 pages). Despite the website for Aerosim being a bit 'we speak England very best', the manuals do actually feature a good English translation. In any case, their English is a lot better than my Japanese, so I'm not going to have a pop at them for not speaking like the Queen.Incidentally, if you do cough up for it (23 quid or so), beware the payment page, which automatically ticks the 'include paying for an extended download service' (costs 3.50). I've been caught out twice by that when buying stuff from Aerosim, when I didn't actually want to pay for the service since I back all my stuff up to an external drive. For just over 20 quid it is worth the cash, since you can soup it up, and aerosim make no secret of the fact that it is pretty much their first go at a FSX commercial airliner (unless you count their Mitsubishi/Fuji YS-11 propliner).Al

Wow thank you very very much indeed.I shall look at some reviews and videos and then possibly purchase it and add in an fmc.From flying PMDG and Level D for some time my standards are too high for a jetliner and this should be a nice addition to my fleet.Thank youRichy

Just keep in mind that it is more like a CLS product than a Level D one and you won't be disappointed.Put it this way, I'm sure we all know the PMDG 747 is the best 747 you can get, but that doesn't mean the CLS 747 is not fun to fly, or any less worthy, it is simply pitched at a different kind of simmer. I bought both of those 747 for their relative merits, and I'm sure many other have too.Al

Just keep in mind that it is more like a CLS product than a Level D one and you won't be disappointed.Put it this way, I'm sure we all know the PMDG 747 is the best 747 you can get, but that doesn't mean the CLS 747 is not fun to fly, or any less worthy, it is simply pitched at a different kind of simmer. I bought both of those 747 for their relative merits, and I'm sure many other have too.Al

Judging from the screenshots sent, the Aerosim B777 is quite basic and far from the quality required in the opening thread.-I think it is at the same level as the Wilco 777.-In my opinion a good quality FSX native 777 is highly necessary to cover the gap between the high quality PDMG 747s and Level D or Capt Sim 767s and 757s.-

That is true, but the point I'm making is that whilst it is not very well endowed as far as avionics go by default, if you have the Integrated Simavionics package and a few other bits and pieces, you can make it very much better, especially since there is a custom 'Cripple Seven' PFD and a Smiths Industries CDU in that package. So if you do have those avionics, since the AeroSim 777 is only twenty-odd quid, you can sling those in the Aerosim bird and get a halfway decent native FSX big Boeing Twin without too much trouble at all. But I went even further than that.Here is mine with the Smiths Industries CDU added to the VC, and as a 2D panel. Not visible in that shot, I've also added the CS Weather Radar, the FSFK ACARs and the DBS Profile Radar, which means it is now better equipped than a PMDG 747 as far as avionics are concerned. And all it took was a bit of fancy footwork in the panel config file. Next thing you know, I've got a native FSX model Cripple Seven with full on VNAV, LNAV, full SIDs, STARs, Weather Radar, Terrain Radar, ACARs, Moving Map display and when I've repainted the sucker, it'll have a nice exterior too, and all for twenty quid, not forgetting of course that you also get some airport scenery with it:Al

Wow that looks amazing!Any chance of this working in fs9 aswell?Also I'm having trouble finding the product/purchase page could you post a link?Thanks for the great help ChockRichy

When you buy the Integrated Simavionics package, you get two instalations for it, FSX and FS9 (i.e. it works in both sims), so yes you can do all that malarkey in FS9.You can find IS here: http://isgsim.com/?page=homeThere's a purchase link on their page, or you can just go to www.simmarket.com, which is actually where their 'buy now' link takes you. Whilst you're looking around Simmarket.com, check out Friendly Panels, who make a lot of similar stuff. Here's a link to their Triple Seven panel pack, which I don't have, but apparently it is very good (they also work in FSX and FS9):http://secure.simmarket.com/friendly-panel...l-pack-v4.phtmlNothing to stop you doing all that on the freebie POSKY one or the Wilco or Just Flight Cripple Sevens either of course.Al

Almost every modern airliner has been modelled with advanced model and systems in fs9/fsx.The PMDG 737, PMDG 747, MDG MD 11, Level D 767, Captainsim 757, Captainsim 767, Qualitywings 757, Maddog MD-80, NLS A380, Airsimmer airbus family , SSTSIM Concorde all the PSS products and the large amount of CLS prodects- the list is endless.But one crucial modern airliner is missing: the Boeing 777.I am aware of the freeware models from posky but of course they lack systems and even with merges the experience is not great.Also I own the Wilco 777 and that lacks details aswell.And the PSS is outdated now and is lacking models.I was wondering if anybody knows any companies thinking about starting an in-depth simulation of the 777.Personally I beleive a PMDG/Level D standard 777 is really lacking from both fsx and fs9.Any comments or opinions welcomed and appreciated.ThanksRichy

If you take out all the FS9-only planes and those which lack deeper systems and avionics simulation, the list for FSX gets quite limited: Maddog MD-80, Coolsky Super80, LDS 767, PMDG MD-11 and 747, don't know about the Concorde, but here the counting more or less ends. Again, I strip out planes like Wilco/FeelTHere E-Jets and Airbus, the buggy Captainsim products etc.So, as someone who demands the highest standards, I lack these planes completely in FSX: 737NG, Airbus, Embraers, and the list goes on. In fact, you can count the "good" planes on almost one hand only...Besides, there are 777's for FS9, one from Wilco/Feelthere (with an FSX model too, but quite limited in simulation depth, but for what you demand it's sufficient) and PSS' 777.But: Not everybody demands the same high level of "fidelity" like I do, so my opinion is pretty well biased by personal tastes...Andreas

I guess only time will tell what the developers will do so well just have to wait and see their next creations.ThanksRichy

Here's a scenario, let's say you nip over to the Captain Sim website and get yourself their new weather radar, stick it in your PMDG 747, then pop over to Aerosoft and get Flight Keeper, and stick the ACARS panel in it, maybe even take a trip over to ISG and get those souped-up PFDs. Nice.But let's say you don't do that.Since I have done that in my 777, it now actually has more fidelity in terms of avionics and systems than my PMDG 747 or the LDS 767 straight out of the box, neither of which have ACARS, or DFDAU working on the CDU, or a weather radar in that big fat radome on the front of the plane, unlike my Aerosim Triple Seven, which has all of those capabilities courtesy of those additions, as well as a similarly realistic CDU. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about that it is possible to do with even a very simple add-on.It would be nice if there was a really high end 777 that had all that stuff by default, but you really don't have to wait for a developer to do it, you can grow your own realistic 777 with a bit of effort. And while you are at it, you can stick some of that stuff in your PMDGs and Level Ds and make those more realistic too. It isn't hard to do.Al

Here's a scenario, let's say you nip over to the Captain Sim website and get yourself their new weather radar, stick it in your PMDG 747, then pop over to Aerosoft and get Flight Keeper, and stick the ACARS panel in it, maybe even take a trip over to ISG and get those souped-up PFDs. Nice.But let's say you don't do that.Since I have done that in my 777, it now actually has more fidelity in terms of avionics and systems than my PMDG 747 or the LDS 767 straight out of the box, neither of which have ACARS, or DFDAU working on the CDU, or a weather radar in that big fat radome on the front of the plane, unlike my Aerosim Triple Seven, which has all of those capabilities courtesy of those additions, as well as a similarly realistic CDU. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about that it is possible to do with even a very simple add-on.It would be nice if there was a really high end 777 that had all that stuff by default, but you really don't have to wait for a developer to do it, you can grow your own realistic 777 with a bit of effort. And while you are at it, you can stick some of that stuff in your PMDGs and Level Ds and make those more realistic too. It isn't hard to do.Al

I agree completely and since I already have the posky 777 I think I shall take your advice and add all these extra systems in to make a great aircraft.Also I'm sure the satisfaction of using this newly modified aircraft is great knowing that youve helped "build" it.Thanks for all the hints and tips youve given me and I will be putting them to good use.Thanks very much for the help Chock its very very much appreciated.Thank youRichy