Hi, Benjamin!A few remarks on your remarks. :( Do you think there are fanclubs of various aircraft manufacturers? LOL, that has always made me think...I love almost all airplanes, if you ask me. If it flies, it's cool!As well as American and Asian (also African and Australian if I think a bit longer).Many European airlines use 737s, including Lufthansa. What's more, there are also other short haul aircraft types used in Europe apart from boeings and airbuses (Embraer, Canadair, Dornier, etc).Of course I'm absolutely not arguing with you in any way. I respect everyone's opinions.Just some thoughts and facts.And speaking of Air Simmer's airbus addon: when it comes out, we shall see what it's like.

So, here are my thoughts on your comments :("Do you think there are fanclubs of various aircraft manufacturers? LOL, that has always made me think...I love almost all airplanes, if you ask me. If it flies, it's cool!"Erm... People have preferences. I also like classical music better than pop music, and I like the Boeing 737-200 better than the Boeing 737-600. I also happen to like Boeing airplanes better than Airbus planes. It's just a personal preference. That's a possility, right?"As well as American and Asian (also African and Australian if I think a bit longer)."Yes, I do know that, but I'm Dutch, therefore European, and therefore European companies happen to interest me more. This, too, is a personal preference."Many European airlines use 737s, including Lufthansa. What's more, there are also other short haul aircraft types used in Europe apart from boeings and airbuses (Embraer, Canadair, Dornier, etc)."It's been a very long time since I saw Lufthansa fly Boeing 737s, so I sort of assumed they were going over to Airbus. Anyway, after a quick look at airfleets.com, it appears they do use Boeing 737-300 and -500 planes. Still though, you see the A320 appear more and more. I do know for a fact that Air France stopped using Boeing 737s. They went over to Airbus A320 planes for that.

An interesting disussion, Benjamin, thanks for that.

Erm... People have preferences.

It's so obvious I don't even have to say I 100% agree on that. :(

I also happen to like Boeing airplanes better than Airbus planes.

Of course, respect. Still it is very interesting to discuss. Many times people ask me same questions when it comes to airliners. So, out of curiosity (if you don't mind), is it about the yoke/sidestick in your case?

it appears they (Lufthansa) do use Boeing 737-300 and -500 planes. Still though, you see the A320 appear more and more

Yes, in the short haul range Lufthansa has taken on Airbus. Same for long haul, which (I'm sure you and others know) makes it much easier in case of type rating (the airbus cockpit philosophy).I wonder, though, if Lufthansa goes for the upcoming 747-8. I personally think it's gonna be a gorgeous airplane.

I'm Dutch

That is an extremely pro-boeing country (KLM), except for a few A330s. Just kidding... :( Apology for going a bit off topic.

An interesting disussion, Benjamin, thanks for that.It's so obvious I don't even have to say I 100% agree on that. :( Of course, respect. Still it is very interesting to discuss. Many times people ask me same questions when it comes to airliners. So, out of curiosity (if you don't mind), is it about the yoke/sidestick in your case?Yes, in the short haul range Lufthansa has taken on Airbus. Same for long haul, which (I'm sure you and others know) makes it much easier in case of type rating (the airbus cockpit philosophy).I wonder, though, if Lufthansa goes for the upcoming 747-8. I personally think it's gonna be a gorgeous airplane.That is an extremely pro-boeing country (KLM), except for a few A330s. Just kidding... :( Apology for going a bit off topic.

No problem :(Anyway, funny things is, I thought I'll just do a flight with my Austrian Airlines Overland A320 from EHAM to LOWW. About half way now. Irnocially, I actually like flying this plane. For some reason the cockpit is amazingly comfortable. Maybe it's the big windows? I'm not sure what it is, but somehow it's fun.it's interesting you should bring up the yoke, because that's indeed something I thoroughly detest on Airbus planes, plus that I don't like the look of the exterior. Inside they are nice, and they fly very nicely, but the exterior... I dislike how it looks. Airbus planes always look, to me, like something bad happened. Like it's not the way they should have looked. Something is out of place, and the A330 has it even more. So, it's basically the exterior and yoke which I dislike about Airbus planes.Funny thing is, ugly can also be inherently beautiful in my book. Take the Il-96, for example, or as a matter of fact, any Russian plane. They always have such a weird design, always there seems to be something wrong or out of proportion in them. Yet, I like them a lot. I love their looks. Airbus, no. Airbus to me just is "meh". And that's why I prefer Boeing above Airbus: to me they look far nicer. They seem more natural. Their cockpit is usually more cramped, and more chaotic, and that's where I think Airbus has done a great thing. Their cockpit is nice and clean, but then there is the yoke. I prefer the Boeing yoke. it looks less like a computer game, and it feels more like you're actually flying a plane. All that said, there is a certain coziness to the Boeing cockpits, especially that of the Boeing 737, which makes the Boeing 737 one of my top favorite aircraft.What you say is right about Holland: for as far as we have any Dutch companies, Boeing has always been popular. KLM uses almost only Boeing aircraft (except for the A330, various Fokker planes which are great, ATR72-500 and the MD-11/DC-10). Also Transavia has a great collection of Boeing 737-700/800 aircraft. martinair too, uses Boeing 767 and MD-11 planes, although they used to operate A320s too.The Boeing 747-8... yeah, I wonder when that one will be coming out. It ought to be great, anyway. The Boeing 747 always has been an iconic aircraft.Right, just to say one thing on topic: I will buy the AS A320. I want an Airbus. They fly nicely and have a nice cockpit, even though I dislike the exterior model.

No problem :(Anyway, funny things is, I thought I'll just do a flight with my Austrian Airlines Overland A320 from EHAM to LOWW. About half way now. Irnocially, I actually like flying this plane. For some reason the cockpit is amazingly comfortable. Maybe it's the big windows? I'm not sure what it is, but somehow it's fun.it's interesting you should bring up the yoke, because that's indeed something I thoroughly detest on Airbus planes, plus that I don't like the look of the exterior. Inside they are nice, and they fly very nicely, but the exterior... I dislike how it looks. Airbus planes always look, to me, like something bad happened. Like it's not the way they should have looked. Something is out of place, and the A330 has it even more. So, it's basically the exterior and yoke which I dislike about Airbus planes.Funny thing is, ugly can also be inherently beautiful in my book. Take the Il-96, for example, or as a matter of fact, any Russian plane. They always have such a weird design, always there seems to be something wrong or out of proportion in them. Yet, I like them a lot. I love their looks. Airbus, no. Airbus to me just is "meh". And that's why I prefer Boeing above Airbus: to me they look far nicer. They seem more natural. Their cockpit is usually more cramped, and more chaotic, and that's where I think Airbus has done a great thing. Their cockpit is nice and clean, but then there is the yoke. I prefer the Boeing yoke. it looks less like a computer game, and it feels more like you're actually flying a plane. All that said, there is a certain coziness to the Boeing cockpits, especially that of the Boeing 737, which makes the Boeing 737 one of my top favorite aircraft.What you say is right about Holland: for as far as we have any Dutch companies, Boeing has always been popular. KLM uses almost only Boeing aircraft (except for the A330, various Fokker planes which are great, ATR72-500 and the MD-11/DC-10). Also Transavia has a great collection of Boeing 737-700/800 aircraft. martinair too, uses Boeing 767 and MD-11 planes, although they used to operate A320s too.The Boeing 747-8... yeah, I wonder when that one will be coming out. It ought to be great, anyway. The Boeing 747 always has been an iconic aircraft.Right, just to say one thing on topic: I will buy the AS A320. I want an Airbus. They fly nicely and have a nice cockpit, even though I dislike the exterior model.

Hi Benjamin, I have mostly been a Boeing, Mcdonnell Douglas fan love the look and style of these aircraft, in recent years I have been reading alot on airbus planes and not to mention I have been traveling in the A320 alot lately going back and forth to see my family. I love the the flight deck very clean and some nice space, I do admit that I prefer a yoke to a joystick that's one thing I don't like about airbus planes but I guess you just have to get used to it and also that makes them very different from Boeing planes, so my interest in airbus is getting higher, and also the fact that I'm flying allot in Europe with aerosoft scenery. so I got my eyes out that airsimmer since its one big package with the models 318 319 etc etc fs9 and fsx in case you want to move up to fsx later on.

You're welcome. One caveat though - I wouldn't expect it within "a few weeks". In any case, keep an eye on the Airsimmer forum, things are moving along and it will definitely be worth the wait.If you haven't seen it yet, check out this preview video:

Very nice video at YouTube. Impressive! JS

Cant wait for this one, we really do need a top spec bus that we can blast around the virtual sky in with precision. I love both boeing and airbus but we need a bus wich is on par with the likes of pmdg, lvld. Keep up the good work airsimmer!Chris

I love the the flight deck very clean and some nice space, I do admit that I prefer a yoke to a joystick that's one thing I don't like about airbus planes but I guess you just have to get used to it and also that makes them very different from Boeing planes

You'd be surprised at how easy it is to go from yoke to stick and vice-versa in the real world. It takes all of about 20 seconds (if that!) to get used to it!

You'd be surprised at how easy it is to go from yoke to stick and vice-versa in the real world. It takes all of about 20 seconds (if that!) to get used to it!

I must agree. As a die-hard BOEING fan who said he'd never fly Airbus (in them, on them, or sim them), I was amazed when I went to UNITED's training facility in Denver with AVSIM and flew the A320 level-D sim there. It was sensational and easy as pie. I loved it. The stick was amazing and the Airbus laws even more remarkable. I still have a yoke set up at home (CH stuff) but when I get this 'Bus, I may well switch back to sidestick for training and keep it like that for some time. I have my ancient MS force feedback stick from years ago and hope it still works.JS

I must agree. As a die-hard BOEING fan who said he'd never fly Airbus (in them, on them, or sim them), I was amazed when I went to UNITED's training facility in Denver with AVSIM and flew the A320 level-D sim there. It was sensational and easy as pie. I loved it. The stick was amazing and the Airbus laws even more remarkable. I still have a yoke set up at home (CH stuff) but when I get this 'Bus, I may well switch back to sidestick for training and keep it like that for some time. I have my ancient MS force feedback stick from years ago and hope it still works.JS

That great JS going to that untied training must have been really fantastic and a really great memory, my girlfriend destroyed my MS force feedback joystick that a friend of mine gave to me as a gift way back years ago :( I use a saitek joystick and the ch yoke now I guess I'm gonna have to start using my saitek joystick allot more once the airsimmer package comes out. ill have to move it out more to my far left in my desk since most people usually keep it very close on there left side. I just feel that I have more control with the yoke. I guess its a mental thing lol.

You'd be surprised at how easy it is to go from yoke to stick and vice-versa in the real world

True. I had a chance to fly yoke, sidestick and centrestick aircraft (GA) and find no big difference or pleasure level in them. And I would also like to kill the myth of flying the yoke wth both hands (a quite often used discussion point against one-hand sidestick flying) - it's not a usual situaltion and usually happens during liftoff (after V1). If you're a 737 captain, operating the thrust levers under your right hand, you're in a similar situation to an A320 captain.And here's quite an entertaining video of a (famous I'd say) 'boeing guy' flying an A320.Especially for those of you who have not seen it yet (are there any?), have fun! :(

True. I had a chance to fly yoke, sidestick and centrestick aircraft (GA) and find no big difference or pleasure level in them. And I would also like to kill the myth of flying the yoke wth both hands (a quite often used discussion point against one-hand sidestick flying) - it's not a usual situaltion and usually happens during liftoff (after V1). If you're a 737 captain, operating the thrust levers under your right hand, you're in a similar situation to an A320 captain.And here's quite an entertaining video of a (famous I'd say) 'boeing guy' flying an A320.Especially for those of you who have not seen it yet (are there any?), have fun! :(

Not to derail the topic, but was the sidestick you flew a Cirrus by any chance? The first time I flew one, I asked the instructor if he'd mind if I did some steep turns. After I got permission, I moved the stick a typical amount...about the same as I would in a Cub, and I did a wingover! Responsive airplane, the Cirrus!I've had more fun in aircraft with sticks than yokes, but I think that's more about the rest of the airplane than what you use to control it. I forget what I was watching, but an F-16 pilot was talking about the sidestick in that. He said that it doesn't even move, but is manipulated by pressures from your hand. When asked, he said that even the greenest of pilots warm up to it extremely quickly.

What do I use for flight simming? yes, a joystick, which is practically the same as a yoke. I therefore wouldn't have any trouble getting used to an Airbus. However, I can very well imagine that a sidestick feel weird when controlling a plane. It would remind me flight simulator instead of an actual plane...