September 20, 200916 yr Hi all.Has anyone used Martyn Becker's Autoland 2.2.1 successfully?? I have never had any luck with it at all, I am wondering if it's me doing something wrong???...............John
September 20, 200916 yr Hi all.Has anyone used Martyn Becker's Autoland 2.2.1 successfully?? I have never had any luck with it at all, I am wondering if it's me doing something wrong???...............JohnHelloI have never used an autolander myself,but i don't think its just a question of clicking it on at thirty thousand feet and having it land the plane for you.I believe you have to be established on the glidescope as in your usual ILS approach AND THEN you activate it and it should land you safely from there.Others may chip in with a better explanation than that.cheers Andy
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September 20, 200916 yr Author glidesLope... :(Thanks to you both for replying. I do understand what you are saying as I printed and read the instructions and understand them well. The problem is the aircraft, a DC-10 always wants to touch down before or overshoots the runway every time......John
September 20, 200916 yr Hi all.Has anyone used Martyn Becker's Autoland 2.2.1 successfully?? I have never had any luck with it at all, I am wondering if it's me doing something wrong???...............JohnHi, I have used the autoland gauge in a A320 panel of my own creation combined with the PA Airbus. Andy, from above is correct. With my Airbus setup it tends to 'drop' the aircraft at about 100 ft AGL and makes for a very unrealistic, hard landing. I have read elsewhere that depending on the aircraft it is installed in, one can experience some pretty varied extremes, i.e. dropping in from altitudes above minimums to floating to the wrong end of the runway before TD. All of this implies that the XML needs to be tweaked a bit ( or a lot ) to tailor it to a specific aircraft before it will behave as expected.I hope this gives you a little more insight,Mel
September 20, 200916 yr Hi John,As author of said gauge, I confirm that gauge performance depends a lot on the flight dynamics of the plane you are using it with. It's vitually impossible to write a generic gauge that functions well with all variations of FD out there. With many planes I use, I've either had to significantly amend the FD (and not just for autolanding purposes, often) to smooth out the autoland, or write the FDs from scratch myself. The gauge was written originally for the 737 Experience (for which I did the FD) - have you tried that?Which DC10 are you having trouble with?;)
September 20, 200916 yr Author Hi John,As author of said gauge, I confirm that gauge performance depends a lot on the flight dynamics of the plane you are using it with. It's virtually impossible to write a generic gauge that functions well with all variations of FD out there. With many planes I use, I've either had to significantly amend the FD (and not just for autolanding purposes, often) to smooth out the autoland, or write the FDs from scratch myself. The gauge was written originally for the 737 Experience (for which I did the FD) - have you tried that?Which DC10 are you having trouble with?;)Actually I have tried it with every jet airliner in my hanger with the same results. Default 747-400, CLS DC-10 & 747-200-300, PMDG 737's & The Heavies too. I do however have an panel that I got from Avsim that works well with the 737 Experiences every time smooth as silk, that maybe the one that you wrote.........John
September 21, 200916 yr Try the VC10 autoland!! It is very realistic. The a/cwas one of the first to have in real life!Vololiberista Super VC10 into LOWI with PF3 at a cinema near you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298UDyNmgUA
September 21, 200916 yr Hi John,As author of said gauge, I confirm that gauge performance depends a lot on the flight dynamics of the plane you are using it with. It's vitually impossible to write a generic gauge that functions well with all variations of FD out there. With many planes I use, I've either had to significantly amend the FD (and not just for autolanding purposes, often) to smooth out the autoland, or write the FDs from scratch myself.I can fully agree with this comment, except: just skip the word: "virtually" :-)On the Autoland I implemented for the Project Fokker F70/100 and F28 alone, I must have spent more than 100 hours on tweaking it; not only for (final) approach but (especially) on the flare phase. That is: if you want a proper Autoland function.Because there are a lot of aircraft / FD / environment specific variables you have to take into account for an Autoland to function properly.Like: Weight, airspeeds, flaps settings, head/cross wind speed, elevator/aileron/rudder sensitivity, etc etc etc.Writing a small generic gauge that, given a perfect ILS approach and ideal conditions (no wind), performs a simple Autoland (i.e. puts the aircraft on the runway without crashing it) isn't too difficult, but that's not what one (not me anyway) expects from a proper Autoland function.Regards, Rob Barendregt
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