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What seems unlikely to me is that Cascade foundary folks will EVER finish a game on time. Lets have this scenerio. Aerosoft and Cascade on Monday decide to make a Flight Sim. I would venture that Aerosoft with no experience would get it done in half the time, on budget and on schedule :) These guys are day dreamers.. and I think that press release speaks volumes to that. After all they missed their Train Simulator 2 christmas 2008 release, and without a budget they found themselves unemployed. Even with all the Entertainment and Devices layoffs a product so "close" to release should have never been canceled.And perhaps one day MS will release a game engine, but trust that it would be generations behind the Unreal or Idtech and ultimately designed for practical purposes and not performance minded.

I see ye' olde' October thread has come back for more. :) I would hasten to add one thought to this conversation. Well, maybe a few, but all leading towards one conclusion from me. A.) Only 2 members of ACES joined/formed the Cascade Game Foundry. It is not the full team by any stretch.B.) These 2 members were primarily focused on train simulation and car racing games. Neither one lays any significant claim towards participating with the Flight Simulator franchise. (Although I am sure they helped out here and there, they weren't principal developers)C.) The press releases avoid tipping their hand towards what kind of simulation or genre they are setting up for. Honestly, it feels to me that they very specifically went out of their way to avoid referencing the flight simulation genre. Taking all these things into account, as well as the Gamasutra interview (Nov 10, 2009) with the CGF team members, I have serious doubts that CGF is producing a flight simulation product. Their ambitions seem to be somewhere else right now. I am very curious as to what they have up their sleeves though!

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ESP was cancelled on the same day that FS11 and TS2 went down in flames with the closing of the ACES studio. In point of fact, although the official cutoff date for new sales of ESP hasn't arrived, actual sales have already ceased. One cannot buy a license for ESP now at any price...

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Honestly how hard do you think building an engine to walk the great wall of china would be? Seriously now ... it's a freaking wall...they don't need talent for that ;) A book on directx will suffice.