Dirk, I'm not trying to be quaint nor do I wish to pounce on anyone.Here is the important portion that I refered you to..."The custom features you mention [custom holds and such] are probably a bit over the heads of average simmers and are reserved for more advanced clients like yourself.We have a slave driving real world CX 750 Pilot who insists on those as well.The real challenge is that we have one member shouldering that challenge and I'm not about to burn him out any further.That means that further implimention of those features will be at his and our leisure and time frame. If that is amenable to users fine, if not, that's fine as well.I don't think I can be any more honest or transparent than that. :( In addition, the thread already covers the lists of [holds and such] that are already supported in plans and procedures that emulate the real world and are included in Navigraph data for SIDS/STARS/IAPS and other complex routines.Hope this clears up any misunderstandings. :(

Got it on the second attempt, thanks Ron. You and your damn planes... are just way ahead of an average dense guy like me. :( (and that's what attracts me the most in them).Cheers,Dirk.

Got it on the second attempt, thanks Ron. You and your damn planes... are just way ahead of an average dense guy like me. :( Cheers,Dirk.

I wouldn't agree that you are dense Dirk.Just someone who has not been exposed to some intricate or complex factors of real world flight capabilities in a simulator environment.That's why we encourage everyone to get to know this aircraft in depth. She's much more capable than folks who only examine the surface can even appreciate. :(

I do have to say that the more I fly this the more impressed I become.I have not tried a DME Arc approach yet, but I have done several other approaches with ILS intercepts and so far the only problems I've encountered have been pilot error. One feature I especially appreciate is the preview mode of the SC-840 Source Controller. With the FMS flying and as you near the turn to intercept the LOC/GS, tune the NAV radio to the ILS frequency and press the Preview button. This adds the LOC1/GS to your horizontal displays while letting teh FMS continue to fly the aircraft. Perfect for checking you have everything set properly for final approach.While I do miss the ability to let the FMS fly holds (either as part of an approach or when directed by ATC), the FMS in the ESDG Citation X is very versatile and includes a wide variety of features. One feature set I have been experimenting with today includes all of the options you have for planning, executing and monitoring performance for a flight. The FMS affords the ability to plan all aspects of take off, climbs, cruise, descents, approach and landing phases of flight. Speeds and predicted altitudes are all calculated based on selections you make using the various PERF INIT pages, and you can inpout or modify altitude restrictions for any waypoint in your flight plan and teh FMS will recalculate all vertical speed and fuel requirements to accomodate. The PERF DATA pages let you know how you've done, while the PROG pages help you see how things are going in real time and help you stay ahead of the airplane (especially useful during steep descents (like into KASE) or during complicated approaches).I have lots more to discover, and am going back to do just that now - happy flying!

Zenra, please do report your discovery on the suggested DME ARC and Missed Approach comparison. We believe you'll enjoy the experience. :(