The same challenge as before stands. For starters fly a few DME ARCs and Missed Approaches with both, make 'em difficult, then report back.Looks like we are going to need to do our own side by side comparison and include in some document so folks can learn more about the differences from a real world pilots perspective.

Good idea. And, please, how does it compare to FS9 version of CX? What are the differences in FMS and perhaps other features? Btw, I always mak

Good idea. And, please, how does it compare to FS9 version of CX? What are the differences in FMS and perhaps other features?

Since the exact same gauges are used for both FS9 CX 2.0 and FSX CX 2.0 releases, there is no difference whatsoever in terms of features or performance.What is different between them is transparent to the user, since it involves sometimes significant differences in code between the two sim versions. The gauge(s) detect which version is loaded and adjusts themselves accordingly... :(

I do have to say that the more I fly this the more impressed I become.I have not tried a DME Arc approach yet, but I have done several other approaches with ILS intercepts and so far the only problems I've encountered have been pilot error. One feature I especially appreciate is the preview mode of the SC-840 Source Controller. With the FMS flying and as you near the turn to intercept the LOC/GS, tune the NAV radio to the ILS frequency and press the Preview button. This adds the LOC1/GS to your horizontal displays while letting teh FMS continue to fly the aircraft. Perfect for checking you have everything set properly for final approach.While I do miss the ability to let the FMS fly holds (either as part of an approach or when directed by ATC), the FMS in the ESDG Citation X is very versatile and includes a wide variety of features. One feature set I have been experimenting with today includes all of the options you have for planning, executing and monitoring performance for a flight. The FMS affords the ability to plan all aspects of take off, climbs, cruise, descents, approach and landing phases of flight. Speeds and predicted altitudes are all calculated based on selections you make using the various PERF INIT pages, and you can inpout or modify altitude restrictions for any waypoint in your flight plan and teh FMS will recalculate all vertical speed and fuel requirements to accomodate. The PERF DATA pages let you know how you've done, while the PROG pages help you see how things are going in real time and help you stay ahead of the airplane (especially useful during steep descents (like into KASE) or during complicated approaches).I have lots more to discover, and am going back to do just that now - happy flying!

If you've got the preview mode set up for the ILS... you should try pressing the APR button on the autopilot's MCP when you're ready to switch from FMS to ILS. Trust me. :(As for holds, the autopilot can fly: DME arc, hold, procedure turn. The only requirement is that they be part of a procedure in the database.

If you've got the preview mode set up for the ILS... you should try pressing the APR button on the autopilot's MCP when you're ready to switch from FMS to ILS. Trust me. :(As for holds, the autopilot can fly: DME arc, hold, procedure turn. The only requirement is that they be part of a procedure in the database.

Yes, Ed, of course I engage APR mode once turning to the final approach course, and the Flight Director does a very nice job of capturing the LOC.I have been looking for a Hold in an approach procedure. One STAR I am use to practicing with other planes is BNN 1C to London Heathrow - there is a hold at the Bovingdon VOR, but it does not come up on the FMS. Am I missing something, or can you suggest another airport and approach we might try to experience a Hold?Thanks!

Any errors or omissions you find in the navdata should be addressed with Navigraph.

Yes, Ed, of course I engage APR mode once turning to the final approach course, and the Flight Director does a very nice job of capturing the LOC.

Perhaps you missed Ed's point. The FMS will hand control over from FMS/flightplan control to NAV ILS control automatically. No need to fumble around madly switching control manually... :(

If you've got the preview mode set up for the ILS... you should try pressing the APR button on the autopilot's MCP when you're ready to switch from FMS to ILS. Trust me. :(As for holds, the autopilot can fly: DME arc, hold, procedure turn. The only requirement is that they be part of a procedure in the database.

Flying holds on autopilot can be very practical any moment when flying online. Is it possible to add this feature even in some downgraded light-realism mode? Feelthere's CX, Legacy, EMB can be set to fly holds on Autopilot no problem even though their FMS is a much earlier development.Thanks,Dirk.

Hum - I thought I got it - sorry I did not elaborate more: All you have to do is press the APR button and the FMS captures the ILS? Are you saying there is no need to tune the ILS on the NAV radio first? I'll have to try that...

Hum - I thought I got it - sorry I did not elaborate more: All you have to do is press the APR button and the FMS captures the ILS? Are you saying there is no need to tune the ILS on the NAV radio first? I'll have to try that...

No, you're doing it correctly. :)

Flying holds on autopilot can be very practical any moment when flying online. Is it possible to add this feature even in some downgraded light-realism mode? Feelthere's CX, Legacy, EMB can be set to fly holds on Autopilot no problem even though their FMS is a much earlier development.Thanks,Dirk.

Dirk, you probably missed my answer to the same questiion from Zenra upthread.I can't be clearer about custom holds "on the fly" than I've answered there.Please understand that we are well aware of what the other product can or cannot do.We have a real world CX Pilot who owns both and has advised us now for the last 12 months or so.We also know other real world Corporate pilots who have advised us on the differences as well.If you own both, please compile your own list of differences. If not, take a prepaid 30 Day ride, compile a list, and if not satisfied, obtain a refund. :(

Hum - I thought I got it - sorry I did not elaborate more: All you have to do is press the APR button and the FMS captures the ILS? Are you saying there is no need to tune the ILS on the NAV radio first? I'll have to try that...

Sorry, but you are already doing things as you should. Text often causes misunderstandings.By the way, we assume you've updated the outdated DB that came with the aircraft to a more recent cycle.If so, and the waypoint or procedure is missing then it would indeed be something in the new cycle. :(

Dirk, you probably missed my answer to the same questiion ftom Zenra upthread.I can't be clearer about custom holds "on the fly" than I've answered there.Please understand that we are well aware of what the other product can or cannot do.We have a real world CX Pilot who owns both and has advised us now for the last 12 months or so.We also know other real world Corporate pilots who have advised us on the differences as well.If you own both, please compile your own list of differences. If not, take a prepaid 30 Day ride, compile a list, and if not satisfied, obtain a refund. :(

Ron, does it really need to be that quaint? You don't want to add this function? It's fine. Or you meant to say the real thing didn't have it? Fine with me either way (since I have not bought it yet). The only real issue is that I can't make it out from your post. And pls don't pounce on me with that list. Sensitive, aren't we? :(Cheers,Dirk.(That flying Hold answer wouldn't change anything, of course I'll buy this new plane by ES).

Ron, does it really need to be that quaint? You don't want to add this function? It's fine. Or you meant to say the real thing didn't have it? Fine with me either way (since I have not bought it yet). The only real issue is that I can't make it out from your post. And pls don't pounce on me with that list. Sensitive, aren't we? :( Cheers,Dirk.(That flying Hold answer wouldn't change anything, of course I'll buy this new plane by ES).

Dirk, I'm not trying to be quaint nor do I wish to pounce on anyone.Here is the important portion that I refered you to..."The custom features you mention [custom holds and such] are probably a bit over the heads of average simmers and are reserved for more advanced clients like yourself.We have a slave driving real world CX 750 Pilot who insists on those as well.The real challenge is that we have one member shouldering that challenge and I'm not about to burn him out any further.That means that further implimention of those features will be at his and our leisure and time frame. If that is amenable to users fine, if not, that's fine as well.I don't think I can be any more honest or transparent than that. :( In addition, the thread already covers the lists of [holds and such] that are already supported in plans and procedures that emulate the real world and are included in Navigraph data for SIDS/STARS/IAPS and other complex routines.Hope this clears up any misunderstandings. :(

Hum - I thought I got it - sorry I did not elaborate more: All you have to do is press the APR button and the FMS captures the ILS? Are you saying there is no need to tune the ILS on the NAV radio first? I'll have to try that...

No, you still have to tune the NAV1 freq. What you don't have to do is manually switch the "NAV/FMS" source.